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03 Dec 2016, 11:04 am

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...I think automation is a serious issue that will likely eventually require the implementation of some sort of guaranteed income but we're still a ways off from that happening.

I agree. Without jobs, a guaranteed income is necessary.

The New Yorker: The Carrier Deal and Trump’s Challenge to Democrats



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03 Dec 2016, 12:29 pm

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Where are you from originally Alex? I came from the urban inner city of a post-industrial rust belt so asking me whether things have gotten better doesn't work because it hasn't, a lot of this country was left to rot for decades while elitists on the coast became richer than anybody in history. We've had to leave our home and become internal immigrants to find any hope at a better life, this happened during Obama's presidency but it was set in motion decades ago.


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07 Dec 2016, 7:14 pm

Washington Post: He ‘lied his a– off': Carrier union leader on Trump’s big deal

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... until the union leader heard from Carrier that only 730 of the production jobs would stay and 550 of his members would lose their livelihoods, after all.

At the Dec. 1 meeting, where Trump was supposed to lay out the details, Jones hoped he would explain himself.

“But he got up there,” Jones said Tuesday, “and, for whatever reason, lied his a-- off.”



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07 Dec 2016, 7:34 pm

Ask that union 'leader' what Obama did to keep any of those jobs, Trump isn't even president and he is getting things done while Obama is either playing golf or whining and dining with celebrities/foreign leaders.

I am happy with how Trump's transition is going, I feel he has not let down his supporters at all. I think he has shown his toughness and willingness to stand up for the American worker, I am excited to see what he can accomplish as president.

Also I asked that question to you Alex because I think where a person is from is pretty revealing. I don't know Central Virginia so I can't really comment, my point is that as someone that came from an area that has been in decline for decades as opposed to Northern Virginia as I'm sure you know has become one of the richest metro areas in the country so someone that knows that just can't possibly relate to someone that has the life experience that I have had. It was a fundamental disconnect, we basically live in different countries.

Foxconn(who make iPhones) is looking into investing in the US, that is not happening with Trump and him raising the issue. If he didn't raise the issue then probably all these Carrier jobs would of been shipped to Mexico,



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07 Dec 2016, 10:33 pm



Not. Even. President. Yet.

Maybe we should stop believing what the corporate media says is possible and not possible since they're clearly have no clue.

Anybody willing to give credit where credit is due?



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07 Dec 2016, 10:39 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Not. Even. President. Yet.

Maybe we should stop believing what the corporate media says is possible and not possible since they're clearly have no clue.

Anybody willing to give credit where credit is due?

You know, there's so much winning, I'm almost getting tired of all the winning.

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08 Dec 2016, 3:45 am

Washington Post: Donald Trump just insulted a union leader on Twitter. Then the phone started to ring.

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Chuck Jones, who is President of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee country!

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If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues


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Carrier, he said, had agreed to preserve 800 production jobs in Indiana. (Carrier confirmed that number.) The union leader said Trump appeared to be taking credit for rescuing 350 engineering positions that were never scheduled to leave. Five hundred and fifty of his members, he said, were still losing their jobs. And the company was still collecting millions of dollars in tax breaks.


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Half an hour after Trump tweeted about Jones on Wednesday, the union leader's phone began to ring and kept ringing, he said. One voice asked: What kind of car do you drive? Another said: We’re coming for you.


The President Elect attacking a private citizen is a bit unbalanced. Like McCarthyism. People will fear to speak their minds in case they are targeted. It impacts freedom of speech.



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08 Dec 2016, 3:49 am

So I take it you support the Citizens United decision then? I think it's good that Trump is holding these people's feet to the fire, this is what he was elected to do and it seems to be having results. Trump is also proposing to put a 35% tariff on individual US companies that move production out of the United States, is that a good enough punishment for Alex? People can whine about it being an affront to the free market which is not a sincere argument on the part of the Dems and other leftists, the fact is Trump is wielding power over the US economy like they only dreamed about. Did Obama ever once try to convince a company to keep jobs in the US? Did he even think to? People really should stop underestimating Trump at this point, the man is clearly a political savant and I have full confidence in his competency as this country's Chief Executive. Trump's sheer force of will is getting things done before he is even president, January cannot come soon enough!

Also lost in the shuffle is SoftBank announcing a $50 billion investment in the US and the bringing of potentially 50k new jobs that they would not have made if Trump had not won.



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08 Dec 2016, 4:20 am

androbot01 wrote:
So true. Progress cannot be stopped. I just wonder what all the people will do.


a majority will become homeless and live on the margins, some may accumulate in trumpvilles, America's version of the favelas, and face forced evictions and moves to form other favelas further away from civilization. a lucky few may luck into re-education programs for whatever new techy jobs pop up, but this will always be a tiny minority, as the lions' share of American jobs are being either gradually robotized, combined with other jobs or shipped out. all the non-professional degrees are headed in that direction and even some of those also. only the cognitive elite [and entrepreneurially gifted] are safe, for now. third world America, here we come. the choice between bread and circuses [soft landing], or malign neglect [systemic starvation and disease from lack of healthcare, a decidedly hard landing] seems to have been decided.



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08 Dec 2016, 8:14 am

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People really should stop underestimating Trump at this point, the man is clearly a political savant and I have full confidence in his competency as this country's Chief Executive.

I think it's a little early to come to this conclusion.
The Carrier deal was a dog and pony show. All that for 500 jobs? All show, no substance.


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... only the cognitive elite [and entrepreneurially gifted] are safe, for now. third world America, here we come. the choice between bread and circuses [soft landing], or malign neglect [systemic starvation and disease from lack of healthcare, a decidedly hard landing] seems to have been decided.

I agree. The majority of people do not have the skills needed to succeed. And there are too many people anyway. Something's going to happen to decrease the population.