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13 Dec 2016, 7:32 pm

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Because of fake news, a lunatic with a gun tried shooting up Ping Pong Pizza in Washington DC because of that idiot story about the Clintons, John Podesta, and Lady GaGa (of all people) were involved in a pedophile sex ring in the Pizza shop's basement. The place doesn't have a basement, and I can't seriously imagine someone as wonderfully eccentric as Lady GaGa being involved in something like that.
This fake news is being generated by flat earthers and moon landing deniers like Alex Jones, and read by people who aren't mislead into believing such horse sh*t, but who want it to be true.


That happened because some people are complete morons and crazy. Stories like 'Pizzagate" do seem to have some truth in them, if you look at the leaked emails, the Podesta's seem to be using code words for children etc. The trouble is, these stories get adopted by crooked maniacs like Alex Jones and blown into a joke to discredit the story. Happens a lot with that scumbag.


Just because Podesta has a weird interest in food with blood and semen in it? Hardly enough to legitimize Pizzagate.


Maybe not. I haven't looked into it enough but it seemed that they were talking about more than blood and semen.

You realise Jones did his trick of discrediting a credible theory regarding JFK too? Like saying Oswald was one of the shooters.


Like what? The picture in the background in his office reputedly to be of two men with knives about to cannibalize a corpse? If so, that picture is more likely a rendition of early surgery, or maybe even an early autopsy in a medical school centuries ago. I believe it was Rembrandt who had painted a very similar, much more famous painting. No one's accusing Rembrandt of being an occultist pedophile. Even if true, none of that means Podesta's a monster.
And as a matter of fact... Jones is almost certainly correct on Oswald. If there was indeed a conspiracy, then Oswald had to have fired at least some of the shots.


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13 Dec 2016, 7:39 pm

Like the emails between the brothers, which were obviously using code words.

Why do you say that, because it was Oswald's gun? That doesn't mean a thing. Jones is a conman.


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13 Dec 2016, 8:15 pm

Technically, the 1st Amendment does NOT specify freedom of the press only if some government agency or group determines it to be "true", but says freedom of the press and forbids Congress with interfering with the freedom of the press.

Now, if someone spreads fake news about someone that damages their reputation or does them material damage, that's another story, but I believe that would fall under the grounds of slander or libel.

If groups like the New York Times, etc, can spread stories on the actions of our military, which even could threaten our military activities (our enemies CAN READ!! !), and that is protected by the 1st Amendment (another argument altogether on that one whether people should be free to talk about military activity, especially if they feel that it was something wrong, like soldiers attacking innocent civilians needlessly.), then so should news even if people deem it to be "fake".



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13 Dec 2016, 9:33 pm

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Like the emails between the brothers, which were obviously using code words.

Why do you say that, because it was Oswald's gun? That doesn't mean a thing. Jones is a conman.


Because Richard Case Nagell, a CIA investigator keeping an eye on the more right wing, violent Anti-Castro groups sponsored by the CIA, had said he was pretty certain Oswald had been one of the shooters, though admittedly chosen to be the scapegoat as well. Nagell was thrown to the wolves for his trouble, after he claimed he had tried to talk Oswald out of taking part in the assassination. Essentially, Oswald was a violent individual who knew he was being used, according to Nagell.
And coded messages? What might those be? And how does that prove involvement in a Pedophile ring?


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13 Dec 2016, 9:44 pm

The bizarre "fake news" hype that has erupted from the Left and the mainstream fake-newsmedia since the election is a mixture of two things as far as I can tell: (1) an attempt to blame someone, anyone, for their failure, except themselves, and (2) a smokescreen to cover up the systematic violence and fraud that the Left committed over the course of the campaign, especially through DNC-funded domestic terrorists like Robert Creamer & Co.

Creamer and his thugs belong in jail, and I hope President Trump's FBI will initiate a criminal investigation that puts them there.


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13 Dec 2016, 9:59 pm

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The bizarre "fake news" hype that has erupted from the Left and the mainstream fake-newsmedia since the election is a mixture of two things as far as I can tell: (1) an attempt to blame someone, anyone, for their failure, except themselves, and (2) a smokescreen to cover up the systematic violence and fraud that the Left committed over the course of the campaign, especially through DNC-funded domestic terrorists like Robert Creamer & Co.

Creamer and his thugs belong in jail, and I hope President Trump's FBI will initiate a criminal investigation that puts them there.


Creamer? Who dat?


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13 Dec 2016, 10:23 pm

Interesting enough it seem that liberals don't take the bait of fake news; guess it could mean we got better critical thinking, unless that article is fake news by itself.

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

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When did you notice that fake news does best with Trump supporters?

Well, this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat.

We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.


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14 Dec 2016, 1:42 am

Mainstream media is all owned by liberals same with Hollywood and they all push biased liberal propaganda. News isn't about the truth it about how they want you to think is true. They don't even wait to get facts and rush out assumptions and they don't bother even apologizing or issuing corrections anymore. If the lie about some stuff there's no stopping them from lying about anything to push their agenda. Stupid people eat it up "but CNN said it so it has to be tried"

Real unbiased news only happens at local level in most areas. Liberal media says all kinds of stuff that is wrong and is proven so by finding local news articles on it.



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14 Dec 2016, 2:39 am

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Interesting enough it seem that liberals don't take the bait of fake news; guess it could mean we got better critical thinking, unless that article is fake news by itself.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. I'd say most liberals fail to check their sources along with most conservatives as well. For example I saw this trending on Facebook after the election and it's probably fake/twisted

http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-beat-gay-man-in-california/

I would also disagree with the provocative "critical thinking" statement you just made. It's not helping anyone, people of all walks of life can think critically or not. Like many things you read on the internet, you should also be very critical of anything you hear in the news, because it often has a spin, whether it's from CNN to Breibart. You should be wary of it especially if it causes you outrage.



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14 Dec 2016, 5:16 pm

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Like the emails between the brothers, which were obviously using code words.

Why do you say that, because it was Oswald's gun? That doesn't mean a thing. Jones is a conman.


Because Richard Case Nagell, a CIA investigator keeping an eye on the more right wing, violent Anti-Castro groups sponsored by the CIA, had said he was pretty certain Oswald had been one of the shooters, though admittedly chosen to be the scapegoat as well. Nagell was thrown to the wolves for his trouble, after he claimed he had tried to talk Oswald out of taking part in the assassination. Essentially, Oswald was a violent individual who knew he was being used, according to Nagell.
And coded messages? What might those be? And how does that prove involvement in a Pedophile ring?


"Pretty certain" isn't evidence. Any evidence that Oswald was a violent individual? He certainly didn't seem that way going by the interviews.

"Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it."

"Mary and John I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them. Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well. I miss you both Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Herb

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"


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14 Dec 2016, 5:53 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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Like the emails between the brothers, which were obviously using code words.

Why do you say that, because it was Oswald's gun? That doesn't mean a thing. Jones is a conman.


Because Richard Case Nagell, a CIA investigator keeping an eye on the more right wing, violent Anti-Castro groups sponsored by the CIA, had said he was pretty certain Oswald had been one of the shooters, though admittedly chosen to be the scapegoat as well. Nagell was thrown to the wolves for his trouble, after he claimed he had tried to talk Oswald out of taking part in the assassination. Essentially, Oswald was a violent individual who knew he was being used, according to Nagell.
And coded messages? What might those be? And how does that prove involvement in a Pedophile ring?


"Pretty certain" isn't evidence. Any evidence that Oswald was a violent individual? He certainly didn't seem that way going by the interviews.

"Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it."

"Mary and John I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them. Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well. I miss you both Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Herb

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"


Oswald was a rebel looking for a cause. He'd do anything for the cause he had dedicated himself to. And retired FBI agent James Holsty, admittedly not the most reliable source, had claimed to have had received a note from Oswald, in which Oswald said he would blow up the FBI office in Dallas for what he perceived as harassment of his wife. Holsty claims he was ordered to destroy the note after the assassination, which his superior denied. If true, it shows Oswald was potentially capable of violence.


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14 Dec 2016, 8:55 pm

This is Sargon of Akkad on Pizzagate. I think he made some pretty good points about the situation.


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14 Dec 2016, 9:04 pm

That Podesta art gives me the creeps seeing it in the frame

Child sex slavery has been practiced by the elites for centuries, rings have been uncovered all over the world so it would be foolish to think that the US is somehow immune. I think that is the least that they're guilty of, long have been the tales of torture and ritual sacrifice as well. There is a ring of pedophiles that run Hollywood too, I imagine there is a lot of crossover with the rich and powerful. Dangerous stuff to be investigating, might end up suicided with two shots to the back of the head if you're not careful.



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14 Dec 2016, 9:37 pm

In this case, AFAIK, it's not Podesta-owned art. Either way though I think you're right, and he spent the first half of the video verifying that these things clearly do happen and do go to court (ie. he was really trying to make a point that the people who consider the idea of elite pedophile rings as tinfoil-hatter nuttery to be just as much of a problem as the Pizzagate true believers, at least to the point for the later that there's no concrete proof and that alleging pedophilia without solid evidence is a terrible act of demagoguery).

I think even beyond concerns of things like Satanism or Illuminati (neither of which I think are at play in any meaningful sense), we're clearly dealing with some truly awful and nihilistic people. We clearly don't want awful and nihilistic people running much of anything because they'll take their nihilism out on the system that they've been given the task to administer. When we vote I don't think we're ever intentionally voting for the Watch The World Burn party (or perhaps Make The World Burn in this case), but nevertheless that's what we get with these sorts.


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15 Dec 2016, 4:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Like the emails between the brothers, which were obviously using code words.

Why do you say that, because it was Oswald's gun? That doesn't mean a thing. Jones is a conman.


Because Richard Case Nagell, a CIA investigator keeping an eye on the more right wing, violent Anti-Castro groups sponsored by the CIA, had said he was pretty certain Oswald had been one of the shooters, though admittedly chosen to be the scapegoat as well. Nagell was thrown to the wolves for his trouble, after he claimed he had tried to talk Oswald out of taking part in the assassination. Essentially, Oswald was a violent individual who knew he was being used, according to Nagell.
And coded messages? What might those be? And how does that prove involvement in a Pedophile ring?


"Pretty certain" isn't evidence. Any evidence that Oswald was a violent individual? He certainly didn't seem that way going by the interviews.

"Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it."

"Mary and John I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them. Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well. I miss you both Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Herb

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"


Oswald was a rebel looking for a cause. He'd do anything for the cause he had dedicated himself to. And retired FBI agent James Holsty, admittedly not the most reliable source, had claimed to have had received a note from Oswald, in which Oswald said he would blow up the FBI office in Dallas for what he perceived as harassment of his wife. Holsty claims he was ordered to destroy the note after the assassination, which his superior denied. If true, it shows Oswald was potentially capable of violence.


OK, so all hearsay and no evidence. Holsty sounds a bit like Joseph Smith :lol:


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15 Dec 2016, 4:15 pm

Speaking of fake news . . .

What Yasmin Seweid’s Pretty Little Lies Reveal About ‘Fake News’ Media Hypocrisy

Since Donald Trump’s election night victory and at the direction of Hillary Clinton campaign operatives, social media users have been scolded and warned over the scourge of “fake news” from supposedly respected journalistic outlets, on the web and on network television. Clinton herself, just last week, even blamed her election loss partly on the dangerous spread of fake news.

So enter the curious case of Yasmin Seweid, the 18 year old New York City college student whose story of being harassed and assaulted by three Donald Trump supporters on a line 6 subway train went viral. This came on the heels of reports — many exaggerated — a so-called “surge” in Trump-fueled, hate-filled activity.

Protests were held at Grand Central station, where Seweid reported her assault to police shortly after saying she exited the train to get away from her attackers. Several mainstream news outlets, including CBS, NBC, Buzzfeed, Yahoo and Slate among others, picked up on the story and ran with it gleefully.

“Drunk Men Yelling ‘Donald Trump’ Attempt To Remove Woman’s Hijab On NYC Subway” declared the headline at Buzzfeed. “NY Subway Riders Stand By as Three Men Verbally Assault Muslim Teenager” was Slate’s headline, which Yahoo echoed with “Three Drunks on Train Harass Woman in Hijab, Commuters Do Nothing.” CBS News stated “Muslim teen verbally attacked on NYC subway”. Gothamist, a local NYC news site and one of the first outlets to pick up on the alleged incident, stated “Men Screaming ‘Donald Trump’ Attacked Woman Wearing Hijab On The Subway”. The New York Daily News featured the incident on its front page, professing “Attacked Because I’m Muslim” and she was interviewed by CBSNY local that night. ...

To reputable news outlets, Yasmin Seweid, an attractive young Muslim girl, was a prime example of how hate in Donald Trump’s America has spread and manifested itself (even into progressively liberal enclaves such as New York City!)

The only problem is that the incident Seweid reported, and that these outlets ran with, didn’t happen. As reported by DNA Info, Seweid eventually confessed to fabricating the incident and lying to New York police investigating.


http://heatst.com/politics/what-yasmin- ... hypocrisy/


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