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Boudewijn
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17 Dec 2016, 7:40 am

There's been an ongoing elite paedophile scandal in the UK recently, but the investigation into it keeps getting strangely derailed. There was also a huge elite paedophile ring recently uncovered in Norway. The press release on this was printed in the New York Times before strangely being withdrawn (see the archived article here). Therefore I don't know why the idea of an elite paedophile ring is the US is so unthinkable.

I don't know if the Pizzagate allegations are true or not, but I do know that the mainstream media outlets dismissing it don't even discuss the evidence that Pizzagate researchers are presented (it's more than just a bunch of cranks deciding for no reason that "cheese" really means "children", I can tell you that).

And if you think the allegations are coming solely from the right you should know that one of the leading researchers into Pizzagate is a guy called David Seaman, who used to work for the Huffington Post before they got rid of him for daring to ask inconvenient questions about Hilary Clinton's health. You can see his vidoes on YouTube if they don't get taken down first.

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17 Dec 2016, 9:40 am

The difference between UK Scandals and Pizzagate is victims have come forward. There have even been some prosecutions.

Even in the UK there has been false allegations with the same person claiming to being various people in various scandals and appearing blacked out on TV under different aliases. There was one person who claimed an abduction and murder of a school boy had taken place that couldn't have. Stuff that just didn't check out an wasted police time.

Sure people in power can be pedophiles but lets follow the evidence. It has to to be evidence of actual crimes with actual victims.

Typical conspiracy theorists, they fall into the the trap of thinking that some obscure patterns are talkign to them. Like conspirators are deliberately leaving clues for some non-nonsensical reason. They are specially blessed with this ability to find them of course. What is more likely is is they are on the schizotypal spectrum.

The reality is most pedophiles are not conducting satanic rituals, they are sexual attracted to children and unconcerned with their suffering.

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17 Dec 2016, 9:44 am

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Proof and evidence...something that you haven't brought to this discussion. The proof and evidence would imply that Pizza gate is real...

You know what proof means right? Proof doesn't imply. Proof is explicit.

There isn't anything that can bring a prosecution let alone prove crimes have taken place, in a court of law.

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17 Dec 2016, 12:02 pm

Boudewijn wrote:

Are you aware of how Pizzagate came about?

In October when the FBI informed Congress that they were looking into some new e-mails that might involve Hillary, someone on 4chan pretended to be an FBI agent and answered questions about what those e-mails contained. The guy had absolutely no idea about what the e-mails were really about -- he made it up and tied it to other events that were known such as Bill Clinton's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein (he conveniently didn't mention Trump's associations with Epstein).

He made a great many allegations that he claimed the e-mails told about. It was all nonsense. He wasn't an FBI agent and knew nothing about the e-mails, but people bought the bogus story.

The whole thing is nothing more than a prank.

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17 Dec 2016, 12:32 pm

Not sure if "Pizzagate" is true, but there's certainly more evidence than for the conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the US election.

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17 Dec 2016, 12:33 pm

I guess when the mainstream media repeats a conspiracy theory, then people believe it. Even if it's as insane as the lies put forward for both Gulf wars.

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17 Dec 2016, 1:13 pm

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Its not that its unlikely there could be pedophile rings in the U.S, pretty sure that is a worldwide thing unfortunately. But I really don't think your neighborhood dominos or pizza hut is involved in this or that they secretly hold children in the basement...for special orders where instead of pizza they're really ordering a child sex slaves. Also what evidence is there for it, aside from 4chan spreading it about and Internet conspiracy theorists interpretation of emails on wikileaks or whatever.

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17 Dec 2016, 1:15 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Not sure if "Pizzagate" is true, but there's certainly more evidence than for the conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the US election.

Could you post a link to some of this evidence? Also I don't think its false just because the mainstream media says so...really its more that 4chan was mentioned as a source of this idea, and anything that comes from 4chan is typically b.s. I don't need the media to tell me that.

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17 Dec 2016, 1:29 pm

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Boudewijn wrote:

Yup that is just the kind of thing 4chan likes to do, I mean aside from posting all those disgusting memes and photo-shop pictures on their website and just being a general cesspool of toxicity of course.

They just did it for the lulz and people fell for it.

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17 Dec 2016, 2:28 pm

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Not sure if "Pizzagate" is true, but there's certainly more evidence than for the conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the US election.

Do you expect the CIA, NSA, and other US intelligence agencies to make their information public?

Unless you hold a high level position at a US intelligence agency, you have no idea how much evidence there is about Russia hacking the US election. All you can say is that they haven't shared that intelligence with you.

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17 Dec 2016, 3:21 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Not sure if "Pizzagate" is true, but there's certainly more evidence than for the conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the US election.

I'm not sure if I wrote it in another thread. What happens is that something genuine hits the internet and then is hijacked by people like Alex Jones who blow it out of proportion (probably intentionally to discredit it). I said earlier that I don't know if the Podesta thing is true, but their emails certainly look like something is going on. The evidence for that is the emails. Which were blown out of proportion by a bunch of lunatics.

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17 Dec 2016, 3:26 pm

eric76 wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Not sure if "Pizzagate" is true, but there's certainly more evidence than for the conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the US election.

No of course not, cause there isn't any information to make public.

If you want to blindly believe organisations that endlessly lie and spy on normal people that's up to you. These organisations lied about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction etc and haven't said a word about hacking of Hillary's behalf or all the corrupted ties linked to her foundation.

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17 Dec 2016, 4:58 pm

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That phenomenon is called "magical thinking"--people with schizoid/psychotic features are prone to it.

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17 Dec 2016, 5:42 pm

Pizzagate is just another example of the alt right casting baseless charges, with zero evidence other than misconstrued paintings seen in the background during interviews, or because of peculiar interest in Wicca cooking, and is believed by the feeble minded who eat up anything that confirms that preexisting hatreds and prejudices.

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17 Dec 2016, 5:45 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

eric76 wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

ok well that was a waste of time....a debunked conspiracy theory spread about by 4chan and random Internet conspiracy theorists based on their interpretation of wikileaks emails. Just another distraction from real problems.

Very well stated.

It's truly amazing how many people are falling for this stupid prank.

Apparently one person even went as far as firing an assault rifle in a pizza restaurant, because they needed to put a stop to this secret pedophilia ring...and save the children they figured were held in secret rooms in the basement. In reality it just ended up being a deluded individual firing a weapon, in a place people go to eat putting peoples lives in danger. I mean if you really think something like that is going on why not call the police? So some actual proof and evidence can be collected, analyzed and investigated.

And you know something? That pizza shop has no basement.

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17 Dec 2016, 6:05 pm

wilburforce wrote:

That phenomenon is called "magical thinking"--people with schizoid/psychotic features are prone to it.

Yes it is a specific type of magical thinking. However the schizotypal spectrum is not just in the clinically abnormal range, it is a spectrum like the autistic spectrum, and a nuerotype. They don't have to be psychotic and it is common.

I have long agreed with the neurologist Robert Sapolsky on this very subject.

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