"It's not a Muslim ban! It's working out very nicely!"

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But it's also against the very ideology behind our country to ban a whole religion, or a whole race.

A whole religion or race isn't being banned tho, they've done similar things before and honestly knowing the history of immigration to the US then I'm not sure I would agree that it's against the ideology of our country.

The DHS lawyers did not want to include any green card holders, but Stephen Bannon overruled them and had included green card holders in the ban. This was likely deliberate on Bannon's part, to create maximum chaos and media exposure for this issue, because he thinks it will boost the Trump Administration politically:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/steve-b ... nts=disqus

Indeed, Bannon seems to have made Trump very happy, as Trump has elevated him to the National Security Council. Trump has made it to where Bannon will always be present when the NSC meets, but the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of Intelligence will only be present occasionally, when their departments are involved, a departure from precedent:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -the-table

Bannon, at the very least a fellow traveler of white nationalists, has shown his displeasure for the press, telling them to "keep their mouth shut":

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cass ... -the-press

Mike Pence is also a very hateful person, and a republican lap dog.

Having him as president won't be an improvement in my eyes.

...A Washington Post story by Rosalind S. Helderman I read in to-day,s San Jose Sunday paper (can.t link) says that seceal majority-Muslim countries were left off of the entry bbars - and they are all nations where the Trump OOrganization is active !
Imagine THAT ...........




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Yes, whole groups of people have been kept from immigrating to America in the past, much to our shame. We modern Americans were supposed to have been better than our forebears in that regard.
And no, not all Muslims are being banned - those from countries Trump does business with are excluded from said ban.

Why does it have to America only that everyone can immigrate and flee to?
I know about Ellis Island, but hasn't that been a museum the last 60 years or so? Don't things change?

Refugees flee to lots of countries besides America. But as we Americans ballyhoo about how we're the greatest country on earth, it's no surprise people would want to come here.

Those countries that have been temporarily banned are embroiled in civil war and are in a total state of anarchy, creating a new vetting system is not a violation of anybody's rights and remember that our FBI has said that our vetting process is inadequate and that is impossible to know for sure who these people are. Obama did not take protecting this country very seriously, he was very soft on ISIS and is one the main people responsible for their rise. ISIS uses AMERICAN made weaponry, remember that! There are no moderate rebels in Syria. Obama REFUSED to bomb ISIS's oil infrastructure that the Turks were illegally buying because of 'worries about the environmental impact' it could have, Obama was a big supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who he foolishly thought were moderates. The Muslim Brotherhood is very close to being designated a terrorist organization, this could happen any day now.

Ahh Steve Bannon...like having David Duke as the right hand man of Trump...

It just seems like what I'm hearing is refugees have absolutely no other place to go. I'm not in favor of keeping them out. But at the same time I wonder why the US has to always be the one to take them in.

I wonder why aren't other countries doing what the United States did and build themselves up to be better nations through immigration and so on? It looks to me like the United States isn't doing so great these days and is starting to come apart at the seams. Maybe it's time for the US to repair itself and time for other nations like Canada take a share of the burden.

I actually think the real reason this doesn't happen is a, they simply don't want to. And b, they're too dependent on the US to take care of things for them and everyone else.

Canada, western Europe, and a host of other places do in fact take loads of refugees. We Americans just don't hear nearly enough about it.

I really don't know much about avoiding bombing ISIS due to environmental concerns, and have my doubts about the veracity of such claims. And the fact that Obama killed plenty of terrorists and radicals via drone strikes says different that he didn't protect America like he should have. A few fanatics got under the wire; I recall the carnage they caused on 9/11 being far worse under Bush. And the claim that Obama's policies created ISIS doesn't hold water, as Bush's military adventurism is what had made the whole region unstable, making the rise of ISIS inevitable.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... -oil-wells


Obama GAVE ISIS weapons by the way, he supported the Islamist side in both Libya and Syria, he supported the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama and Bush are exactly the same, remember that.

Then it's good to know refuges have plenty of places to go to in the meantime.

I'm not a fan of Fox or the people in the video, just throwing it out there.