Washington State Federal Judge Halts Muslim Ban
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
The president has absolute authority to make this decision and only the president, congress has never repealed the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and allowed FDR extensive use of the law during WWII.
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Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
The president has absolute authority to make this decision and only the president, congress has never repealed the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and allowed FDR extensive use of the law during WWII.
We currently aren't at war with any of the countries in question, though.
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But what makes these people all enemy aliens? That they're brown skinned Muslims?
Ask your "anointed one" since he picked those 7 countries first as being a problem.
President Obama never banned all immigration from those countries, though. He just upped the vetting process in order slow down immigration to weed out potential terrorists.
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But what makes these people all enemy aliens? That they're brown skinned Muslims?
Ask your "anointed one" since he picked those 7 countries first as being a problem.
President Obama never banned all immigration from those countries, though. He just upped the vetting process in order slow down immigration to weed out potential terrorists.
And Trump's ban is not permanent.
They keep saying the law is quite clear and the Court was wrong. That's why I hope Trump pushes this AFTER Gorsuch is in just in case there is a 4/4 vote in the Supreme Court.
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Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
The president has absolute authority to make this decision and only the president, congress has never repealed the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and allowed FDR extensive use of the law during WWII.
We currently aren't at war with any of the countries in question, though.
No formal declaration is required, it is within the power of the presidency to do this. Congress has the authority and every opportunity to repeal this law but still it sits on the books unchanged since the legal internment of Japanese citizens of WWII. Now what the president does in this regard might be distasteful, immoral, and even the wrong thing to do but it is completely within their constitutional authority.
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Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
The president has absolute authority to make this decision and only the president, congress has never repealed the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and allowed FDR extensive use of the law during WWII.
We currently aren't at war with any of the countries in question, though.
No formal declaration is required, it is within the power of the presidency to do this. Congress has the authority and every opportunity to repeal this law but still it sits on the books unchanged since the legal internment of Japanese citizens of WWII. Now what the president does in this regard might be distasteful, immoral, and even the wrong thing to do but it is completely within their constitutional authority.
As I recall, Iraq, which is on that list, is actually an ally currently fighting ISIS.
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Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
The president has absolute authority to make this decision and only the president, congress has never repealed the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and allowed FDR extensive use of the law during WWII.
We currently aren't at war with any of the countries in question, though.
No formal declaration is required, it is within the power of the presidency to do this. Congress has the authority and every opportunity to repeal this law but still it sits on the books unchanged since the legal internment of Japanese citizens of WWII. Now what the president does in this regard might be distasteful, immoral, and even the wrong thing to do but it is completely within their constitutional authority.
As I recall, Iraq, which is on that list, is actually an ally currently fighting ISIS.
To call Iraq an ally is a stretch, the Shia dominated government in Baghdad is beholden to Iran and the Ayatollah not the US & Iraq really does not want us in their country any longer. The western part of Iraq which ISIS controls is Sunni Iraq, these are the same people who were killing our soldiers in places like Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul, etc. Iraq is one of the main countries that needs to banned since ISIS thousands and thousands of blank passports and the modes of production which is why extreme vetting is necessary. The FBI has admitted that the reality is that they cannot really vet any of these people based on any of the documents they have, there needs to be a new system which is why Trump enacted the temporary travel ban. The only people in Iraq I think we could call our allies are the Kurds and they're the ones who will get screwed in the end again as an independent Kurdish state will never be tolerated by Turkey or Iran even tho that is the de facto situation in Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan.
Here's some legal analysis:
The 9th Circuit’s dangerous and unprecedented use of campaign statements to block presidential policy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... d0d538962a
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Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
The president has absolute authority to make this decision and only the president, congress has never repealed the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and allowed FDR extensive use of the law during WWII.
We currently aren't at war with any of the countries in question, though.
No formal declaration is required, it is within the power of the presidency to do this. Congress has the authority and every opportunity to repeal this law but still it sits on the books unchanged since the legal internment of Japanese citizens of WWII. Now what the president does in this regard might be distasteful, immoral, and even the wrong thing to do but it is completely within their constitutional authority.
As I recall, Iraq, which is on that list, is actually an ally currently fighting ISIS.
To call Iraq an ally is a stretch, the Shia dominated government in Baghdad is beholden to Iran and the Ayatollah not the US & Iraq really does not want us in their country any longer. The western part of Iraq which ISIS controls is Sunni Iraq, these are the same people who were killing our soldiers in places like Fallujah, Ramadi, Mosul, etc. Iraq is one of the main countries that needs to banned since ISIS thousands and thousands of blank passports and the modes of production which is why extreme vetting is necessary. The FBI has admitted that the reality is that they cannot really vet any of these people based on any of the documents they have, there needs to be a new system which is why Trump enacted the temporary travel ban. The only people in Iraq I think we could call our allies are the Kurds and they're the ones who will get screwed in the end again as an independent Kurdish state will never be tolerated by Turkey or Iran even tho that is the de facto situation in Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan.
Well, that's the government your party's last President left in charge. And as the Iraqi army are laying down their lives to fight ISIS, I'd say, yes, they are our friends.
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The Iraqi Army laid down their American made weapons and hightailed it out of there when faced with ISIS, it is Kurdish YPG/Peshmerga and a vast Shia militia fighting under the flag of Iraq but directly under the the control of Iran that is doing the bulk of the fighting against ISIS. Qassem Soleimani, the leader of elite Revolutionary Guard Quds Forces, is directing the offensive in Mosul himself after doing the same in Aleppo with Iran.
The Bush family/neoconservatives got ejected and rejected from power, we should of never been in Iraq and we are now paying the ultimate consequence of it with an ascendant Iran becoming a regional superpower.
This is no different than hating Jewish people. While they were successful people they were also frauds, and others were homeless and a burden to society and they even slaughtered animals. Hitler did the most wonderful thing by weeding out these people to make the country greaaaat and the whole continent better.
See how stupid this is? Hating on the whole group because of bad apples?
A black person commits a crime and then we hear about another black person committing a violent crime, let's all ban black people to reduce violent crimes. This will make our country greaaat. Make America better.
Yes this post contains sarcasm.
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The Bush family/neoconservatives got ejected and rejected from power, we should of never been in Iraq and we are now paying the ultimate consequence of it with an ascendant Iran becoming a regional superpower.
The Iraqi soldiers had fled because their corrupt officers literally took the money and ran, leaving the troops leaderless. As of late, the Iraqi troops and officer corps are behaving more like a real army.
But I do absolutely agree with you on the point that we should never, ever, have been in Iraq. Bush's military adventurism not only needlessly cost America in lives and treasure, but had also destabilized the whole region, and had ultimately birthed ISIS. Ultimately, ISIS or Iran will rule the whole region, and we'll have to live with that disaster.
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