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24 Feb 2017, 7:03 pm

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You've totally missed the point.


No, I haven't. You've missed my point. I clearly demonstrated that I understood that the creator was trying to make a point by flipping the headlines. I just don't think his point stands up to a moment's scrutiny.

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There's been just as many white slaves throughout history, so why couldn't there be "white pride"?

This is a non-sequitur. 1/3

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You say "black trash" or "Jew trash" and you're in serious trouble. "White trash" is acceptable apparently.

Look at the context of that headline again. It certainly seems to be criticising the phrase, doesn't it? It's arguing that class still oppresses people. That's even more apparent if you actually read the article... http://www.salon.com/2016/07/09/the_dee ... s_society/ It criticises the portrayal of class in To Kill A Mockingbird ffs, it's not an anti-white piece! 2/3

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The person admits that 'diversity' is about getting rid of white people, and says that's a good thing. Notice that wholly non white countries aren't forced to "embrace" 'diversity'. That's because the black population is rising.

Well, if white people are over-represented in a subpopulation compared to a population at large (e.g. they're on the TV more often than you'd expect) then yes, "getting rid" of them in order to make it representative is a good thing. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the context of the original headline.

No countries are "forced" to embrace diversity, it's just they're racist if they don't. There are non-white countries which embrace diversity. Singapore is probably the best country in Asia, and it is founded on diversity (they broke away from Malaysia because the other provinces wanted to discriminate in favour of Malays). Japan gets a lot of criticism for its racist attitudes. So do the wealthy Arab countries. So does Israel. Diversity is also encouraged in non-white countries like the USA and Australia. 3/3.

"That's because the black population is rising" is another non-sequitur. 4/3



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24 Feb 2017, 7:32 pm

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So... the point is not to be anti-racist? :? :P


The point is to be consistent and practice what you preach.


And we don't?
Or should I ask: do you?


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24 Feb 2017, 7:34 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:

You've totally missed the point.


No, I haven't. You've missed my point. I clearly demonstrated that I understood that the creator was trying to make a point by flipping the headlines. I just don't think his point stands up to a moment's scrutiny.

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There's been just as many white slaves throughout history, so why couldn't there be "white pride"?

This is a non-sequitur. 1/3

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You say "black trash" or "Jew trash" and you're in serious trouble. "White trash" is acceptable apparently.

Look at the context of that headline again. It certainly seems to be criticising the phrase, doesn't it? It's arguing that class still oppresses people. That's even more apparent if you actually read the article... http://www.salon.com/2016/07/09/the_dee ... s_society/ It criticises the portrayal of class in To Kill A Mockingbird ffs, it's not an anti-white piece! 2/3

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The person admits that 'diversity' is about getting rid of white people, and says that's a good thing. Notice that wholly non white countries aren't forced to "embrace" 'diversity'. That's because the black population is rising.

Well, if white people are over-represented in a subpopulation compared to a population at large (e.g. they're on the TV more often than you'd expect) then yes, "getting rid" of them in order to make it representative is a good thing. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the context of the original headline.

No countries are "forced" to embrace diversity, it's just they're racist if they don't. There are non-white countries which embrace diversity. Singapore is probably the best country in Asia, and it is founded on diversity (they broke away from Malaysia because the other provinces wanted to discriminate in favour of Malays). Japan gets a lot of criticism for its racist attitudes. So do the wealthy Arab countries. So does Israel. Diversity is also encouraged in non-white countries like the USA and Australia. 3/3.

"That's because the black population is rising" is another non-sequitur. 4/3



I didn't miss your point. I thought you'd missed mine a bit.

What the hell is "non-sequitur"?

OK, you might be right about the particular headline, and the poster should have found a better one. My point on it is that 'white trash' is a socially accepted term, say the other ones I mentioned and you are in trouble with the law.

They're talking about getting rid of white people in general, not on TV.

Yes they are and they aren't racist for being against forced policies. Both corporate parties in the UK have 'diversity' as a policy and that's been the same for decades. What's the percentage of white people in Singapore? Yeah, the only difference being that those wealthy Arab states, Japan and Israel aren't forced to 'accept' masses of 'refugees'. Haha :P good point. I am against white people ruling in the US and Australia.


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25 Feb 2017, 8:35 am

The_Walrus wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:

You've totally missed the point.


No, I haven't. You've missed my point. I clearly demonstrated that I understood that the creator was trying to make a point by flipping the headlines. I just don't think his point stands up to a moment's scrutiny.

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There's been just as many white slaves throughout history, so why couldn't there be "white pride"?

This is a non-sequitur. 1/3

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You say "black trash" or "Jew trash" and you're in serious trouble. "White trash" is acceptable apparently.

Look at the context of that headline again. It certainly seems to be criticising the phrase, doesn't it? It's arguing that class still oppresses people. That's even more apparent if you actually read the article... http://www.salon.com/2016/07/09/the_dee ... s_society/ It criticises the portrayal of class in To Kill A Mockingbird ffs, it's not an anti-white piece! 2/3

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The person admits that 'diversity' is about getting rid of white people, and says that's a good thing. Notice that wholly non white countries aren't forced to "embrace" 'diversity'. That's because the black population is rising.

Well, if white people are over-represented in a subpopulation compared to a population at large (e.g. they're on the TV more often than you'd expect) then yes, "getting rid" of them in order to make it representative is a good thing. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the context of the original headline.

No countries are "forced" to embrace diversity, it's just they're racist if they don't. There are non-white countries which embrace diversity. Singapore is probably the best country in Asia, and it is founded on diversity (they broke away from Malaysia because the other provinces wanted to discriminate in favour of Malays). Japan gets a lot of criticism for its racist attitudes. So do the wealthy Arab countries. So does Israel. Diversity is also encouraged in non-white countries like the USA and Australia. 3/3.

"That's because the black population is rising" is another non-sequitur. 4/3


I disagree that getting rid of white actors for diversity is always good. There are some shows where certain races would ruin the plot. For example the life of people 10,000 years ago in Europe should have no white people. A show on medieval Europe shouldn't just throw random minorities in them. I personally believe we don't need diversity we should just make sure it isn't stifled, sometimes it will happen sometimes it will not.



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26 Feb 2017, 3:34 pm

Where's the 'diversity' when it comes to Arab and Asian actors?


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26 Feb 2017, 3:37 pm

There's no need to be a diversity Nazi. Wait, what?


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26 Feb 2017, 3:40 pm

You need to learn that your tactic of calling everyone a Nazi isn't working anymore. The world is starting to wake up.


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26 Feb 2017, 3:42 pm

That's the only time I ever called someone a Nazi, and I did my level best to make it an obvious joke. My head would explode trying to take 'diversity Nazi' seriously.


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26 Feb 2017, 3:53 pm

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That's the only time I ever called someone a Nazi, and I did my level best to make it an obvious joke. My head would explode trying to take 'diversity Nazi' seriously.


OK


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26 Feb 2017, 4:46 pm

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Where's the 'diversity' when it comes to Arab and Asian actors?

Is diversity needed? I honestly can't tell you when I see arabs on tvs because I can't tell the difference between white people and Arabs.



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26 Feb 2017, 5:04 pm

No it isn't needed, but might as well be if we're going to be consistent. Arabs or Russians will be the ones playing the terrorists or the evil gangsters.


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26 Feb 2017, 5:25 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
No it isn't needed, but might as well be if we're going to be consistent. Arabs or Russians will be the ones playing the terrorists or the evil gangsters.


I just noticed I can't remember any shows with Arab terrorist. Bones is the only one I can think of.



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26 Feb 2017, 6:19 pm

24 and Homeland? Loads of different movies.


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26 Feb 2017, 6:21 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
24 and Homeland? Loads of different movies.



I admit I don't watch tv, when I do mostly comedies.