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09 Mar 2017, 11:33 pm

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I get it, ALL feminists are nothing but ugly fat man-hating lesbians. :roll:

There's a Black History Month but not a White History Month. There are Gay Pride parades but no Hetero Pride parades. But I don't whine or moan or even care about how they're implying that all white people are racist and all straight people are homophobic. So I'd like the whining and moaning about why it's wrong for women to have a national day in a world where many are still being raped, murdered, abused, harassed, forced into polygamous marriage and getting their genitals sewn shut to stop.

WP is so hostile towards females, even autistic ones. It needs to stop. :x


The hostility towards women has been going on since I've joined. It used to be far more abundant before moderators started to take action on it and some particularly hostile members disappeared. Most of it centered around real or perceived romantic rejection by women, or false perceptions which lead them to believe that life is easier for females.

Concerning men's rights, there are certainly some valid men's right's issues, however I've observed that the vast majority of men who claim to champion these things, don't actually do so, and instead focus their energy on attacking women and their pursuit of equality. Those who attack the opposite sex in an attempt to combat sexism are misguided, because sexism isn't about the opposite sex being the problem, but is about society being the problem.



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09 Mar 2017, 11:43 pm

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I really don't think WP is hostile towards females at all.

It's more a matter of a few worms spoiling the big apple.



In my time as a member here, there was definitely a point where certain forums were very hostile towards females, and a number of females left because of it. That was a few years ago and it seems things have calmed down since.



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09 Mar 2017, 11:46 pm

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Concerning men's rights, there are certainly some valid men's right's issues, however I've observed that the vast majority of men who claim to champion these things, don't actually do so, and instead focus their energy on attacking women and their pursuit of equality. Those who attack the opposite sex in an attempt to combat sexism are misguided, because sexism isn't about the opposite sex being the problem, but is about society being the problem.

I notice the same thing. I don't think that the haters on either side do any good, and MRA seems soaked in hatred. I have encountered a few deeply unpleasant feminists, but most of them don't hate men in the least.


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09 Mar 2017, 11:59 pm

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Concerning men's rights, there are certainly some valid men's right's issues, however I've observed that the vast majority of men who claim to champion these things, don't actually do so, and instead focus their energy on attacking women and their pursuit of equality. Those who attack the opposite sex in an attempt to combat sexism are misguided, because sexism isn't about the opposite sex being the problem, but is about society being the problem.

I notice the same thing. I don't think that the haters on either side do any good, and MRA seems soaked in hatred. I have encountered a few deeply unpleasant feminists, but most of them don't hate men in the least.


My impression of those "deeply unpleasant" "man hating feminazis" is they are a very small faction of feminist women from the 60s, and many actually probably were lesbians or transgendered or had been abused by a man at some point and felt safer with women. Either way, I think most of them are in their 60's or 70's today and not relevant in the least bit.



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10 Mar 2017, 12:30 am

Sadly, I see a strong market for hate of all sorts. People love us some hating.


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10 Mar 2017, 1:45 am

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I really don't think WP is hostile towards females at all.

It's more a matter of a few worms spoiling the big apple.


Basically, I agree with this.

There's a few especially outspoken snowflakes who whine that anything that doesn't favour men inherently is anti-male. I guess if you spend your entire life on the MRA subreddits and ignore reality things really might seem heavily biased against males, but those of us who participate in the reality-based universe recognize this as utter rubbish.


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10 Mar 2017, 8:05 am

I never said there wasn't hostility towards women. There have been men, obviously, who have expressed hostility towards women, some of it of a vociferous variety, and believe that they don't get a "fair shake" merely because they are men.

I merely said that WrongPlanet, in general isn't hostile towards women.



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10 Mar 2017, 8:41 am

^ When I first joined up here I got a lot of harassment from dudes adding my big social media facebook from here then sending me really nasty messages over there, one of them even went as far as sharing some of my personal info on here but I had mods remove it, so I won't say it's all rainbows and sunshine. It's mostly okay though in regards to being a female on here. I've removed all that since, won't add anyone from WP in future unless they're from my town though.


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10 Mar 2017, 10:17 am

Chronos wrote:
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Concerning men's rights, there are certainly some valid men's right's issues, however I've observed that the vast majority of men who claim to champion these things, don't actually do so, and instead focus their energy on attacking women and their pursuit of equality. Those who attack the opposite sex in an attempt to combat sexism are misguided, because sexism isn't about the opposite sex being the problem, but is about society being the problem.

I notice the same thing. I don't think that the haters on either side do any good, and MRA seems soaked in hatred. I have encountered a few deeply unpleasant feminists, but most of them don't hate men in the least.


My impression of those "deeply unpleasant" "man hating feminazis" is they are a very small faction of feminist women from the 60s, and many actually probably were lesbians or transgendered or had been abused by a man at some point and felt safer with women. Either way, I think most of them are in their 60's or 70's today and not relevant in the least bit.


I don't know about that, it seems like these third wave 'intersectional' feminists who trend younger are the biggest man haters not the old ones from 60/70s. Think Tumblr and it's 37 different genders. I don't know what the number percentage of these people are but they are definitely the loudest voice in the room when it comes to feminism, extremists are a problem in any identity movement. I would describe someone that thinks of me as 'cis straight white male scum' as deeply unpleasant to say the least and discrediting to any valid points they might of had.



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10 Mar 2017, 1:15 pm

The key with rigid ideologues is to find some common ground in an easily observable phenomenon. We all have rigid areas of our beliefs, but occasionally people let that style of thinking take over their minds temporarily.

Even when people act stupid and venal, they still have all the normal human motives. Posting a rant does not commit you to that philosophical camp permanently. Man hating groups attract similar levels of interest as any other hate group.

Either follow the guidelines for conservatives and man up, or admit that words and prejudicial attitudes can hurt. Can Hurt Everyone.


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10 Mar 2017, 5:17 pm

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I think the larger point is to address progress from gender specific oppression towards women which has certainly existed, even if it has gotten better. I myself treated it like any other day...but I think a lot of people who took more recognition of the day had good intentions. I am sure there were probably plenty of people who took it as an opportunity to demonize males in general and express more us. vs them attitudes as well; but I still wouldn't go as far as saying an international womens day is necessarily a step backwards from equality.

I would have no issue with an international day for men, though not sure what the over-all idea would be...perhaps fighting negative male stereotypes and gender role pressure that they experience but there hasn't really been a system in place that denied them rights like to vote, or having less freedom outside the home than males so it likely couldn't be progress in gaining equal rights. But yeah I don't think it would be misogynistic unless it was like to counter international womens day, but having it in addition wouldn't be. Some people might think that but there are a lot of people who wouldn't and probably plenty who wouldn't care either way.


Also chill with the fear mongering emotional appeal...yes there are extremists within feminism that don't care much about equality and more about some kind of vengeance towards males and outright oppression, but I don't think that describes them all. I myself don't really consider myself to be a feminist because I can't get around a gender specific term being used to describe a goal of gender equality. But no need to cry the sky is falling over it, and make it out like the genders ought to be at war. There are problems that should be addressed in it, but I don't think males are going to be losing their rights in mass any time soon. I don't think there would be enough support from women in general to do that.


What about lack of support for male domestic violence victims, paternity fraud, criminal justice system, suicide rate, workplace death rate, less college education?



What do you mean what about it? I never suggested those aren't actual issues...I just don't see anything particularly wrong with having a womens day, doesn't really matter to me one way or another to me. Though I am not sure on the less college education haven't heard of that before. Also not entirely sure what exactly you mean in regards to the criminal justice system...there isn't much support in general for people dealing with the criminal justice system.

Sorry, I mean less men are getting a college education and in the criminal justice system men get harsher sentences for the same crime/higher conviction. On the other side attractive people are less likely to be convicted so are people with glasses.



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10 Mar 2017, 10:03 pm

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Chronos wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
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Concerning men's rights, there are certainly some valid men's right's issues, however I've observed that the vast majority of men who claim to champion these things, don't actually do so, and instead focus their energy on attacking women and their pursuit of equality. Those who attack the opposite sex in an attempt to combat sexism are misguided, because sexism isn't about the opposite sex being the problem, but is about society being the problem.

I notice the same thing. I don't think that the haters on either side do any good, and MRA seems soaked in hatred. I have encountered a few deeply unpleasant feminists, but most of them don't hate men in the least.


My impression of those "deeply unpleasant" "man hating feminazis" is they are a very small faction of feminist women from the 60s, and many actually probably were lesbians or transgendered or had been abused by a man at some point and felt safer with women. Either way, I think most of them are in their 60's or 70's today and not relevant in the least bit.


I don't know about that, it seems like these third wave 'intersectional' feminists who trend younger are the biggest man haters not the old ones from 60/70s. Think Tumblr and it's 37 different genders. I don't know what the number percentage of these people are but they are definitely the loudest voice in the room when it comes to feminism, extremists are a problem in any identity movement. I would describe someone that thinks of me as 'cis straight white male scum' as deeply unpleasant to say the least and discrediting to any valid points they might of had.


I don't know of these "third wave 'intersectional' feminists" you speak of.



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10 Mar 2017, 10:06 pm

Chronos wrote:
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Chronos wrote:
Concerning men's rights, there are certainly some valid men's right's issues, however I've observed that the vast majority of men who claim to champion these things, don't actually do so, and instead focus their energy on attacking women and their pursuit of equality. Those who attack the opposite sex in an attempt to combat sexism are misguided, because sexism isn't about the opposite sex being the problem, but is about society being the problem.

I notice the same thing. I don't think that the haters on either side do any good, and MRA seems soaked in hatred. I have encountered a few deeply unpleasant feminists, but most of them don't hate men in the least.


My impression of those "deeply unpleasant" "man hating feminazis" is they are a very small faction of feminist women from the 60s, and many actually probably were lesbians or transgendered or had been abused by a man at some point and felt safer with women. Either way, I think most of them are in their 60's or 70's today and not relevant in the least bit.


I don't know about that, it seems like these third wave 'intersectional' feminists who trend younger are the biggest man haters not the old ones from 60/70s. Think Tumblr and it's 37 different genders. I don't know what the number percentage of these people are but they are definitely the loudest voice in the room when it comes to feminism, extremists are a problem in any identity movement. I would describe someone that thinks of me as 'cis straight white male scum' as deeply unpleasant to say the least and discrediting to any valid points they might of had.


I don't know of these "third wave 'intersectional' feminists" you speak of.


These third wave feminists are all talk. They aren't too present in the real world, unless you go to a major city such as New York.


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10 Mar 2017, 10:11 pm

I live in New York City.

"Third-Wave, Intersectional Feminists" aren't a common phenomenon at all, in my experience. And I work with lawyers and judges who have been exposed to feminist theory in universities.

Many women (and men) happen to be "feminists" in general. Some are not (both genders).



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10 Mar 2017, 10:43 pm

Concerning hostility directed at groups of people, what makes it a problem isn't the prevalence, but the existence.

If one is part of a group that has hostilities directed at it, and one gets punched in the face three times per year because of it, it doesn't matter if it's just one person assaulting you, or that it doesn't happen much. What matters is that you get punched in the face at all.



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11 Mar 2017, 12:00 am

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Actually International Men's Day is a thing. November 19th.


Woah really!? I didn't even know!

Then again it doesn't surprise me considering how much attention the mainstream media has given to these extremist 3rd wave feminist. And when November 19th, the actual day dedicated to the respect of men, is almost completely ignored by the media, nost likely because they are afraid of said 3rd wave feminists.


Men's day is celebrated at my workplace for the entire month of November, by the growing of mustaches (by those who can grow them). Sometimes people bring food too.

I'm curious to know what exactly has upset you though.