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11 Mar 2017, 3:43 am

When all those GOP voters who had voted for their orange messiah find they've been left out in the cold in regard to healthcare, I wonder if it'll even occur to them that they should vote against him next election?


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11 Mar 2017, 4:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
When all those GOP voters who had voted for their orange messiah find they've been left out in the cold in regard to healthcare, I wonder if it'll even occur to them that they should vote against him next election?

nah, they're convinced it's all our fault and will just double down on GOP. we are a convenient scapegoat.



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11 Mar 2017, 4:34 am

Isn't most everyone going to be dead or enslaved by then?



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11 Mar 2017, 5:13 am

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When all those GOP voters who had voted for their orange messiah find they've been left out in the cold in regard to healthcare, I wonder if it'll even occur to them that they should vote against him next election?

nah, they're convinced it's all our fault and will just double down on GOP. we are a convenient scapegoat.


Probably. They'll double down on how people on public assistance, illegals, and blacks using affirmative action are supposedly stealing from them. They'll blame everyone who has it worse then them, but will never blame the man or woman in the mirror, or their orange messiah and his corporate shills he's filled his cabinet with.


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11 Mar 2017, 8:07 am

scary times.



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11 Mar 2017, 2:14 pm

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The system as it is now doesn't work very well if at all and changes have to be made to stem off a total collapse.

That's the standard GOP lie. Truth is the plutocracy just doesn't want to pay for any kind of safety net.


Nobody ever wants to pay for anything and nobody ever wants to sacrifice anything either but that doesn't change the fact that Obamacare isn't working, it's not a good situation any way you slice it so inaction is not an option. Maybe Democrats should participate in the process instead of obstructing then maybe some of their ideas could end up in the replacement bill. Long term there is going to have to be even greater structural changes to federal government, eventually we won't have a choice because what we're doing is not sustainable.

We're not talking about the ACA but the gutting of medicaid. If medicaid is unsustainable explain it. It seems the real problem is Republicans won't ever raise taxes to pay for it. Ideologically, republicans can only ever cut taxes.



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11 Mar 2017, 2:48 pm

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None the the less Obamacare was going to collapse.

Only because certain people want it to collapse and will make it collapse.


I know. It has nothing to do with it being a poorly executed system. That's just all a plot.

Trump never intended on any kind of a solution that would help anyone but billionaires.

Now everyone who's not wealthy are going to be without coverage and die, while Trump rubs his little hands and laughs MUHAHAHAHA.

What's more is I hear there going to start genetically testing poor people to put them in concentration camps.

The autistic, even all those who live basically successful normal lives, will be the first to be rounded up and euthanized.

My parents are currently arranging to flee America to save my life.

So far countries like Canada won't allow us to immigrate there.


Republicans believe that taking care of people isn't the government's business, period. They lay it right out in the open. They believe America is built on the principle of survival of the fittest. Everyone works hard for themselves and nobody owes anyone else anything, not healthcare, not a living, nothing. People who don't agree with that ideology shouldn't be voting for Republicans. If you are you are being manipulated.



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11 Mar 2017, 5:21 pm

In truth, the last plan the GOP was working on would have screwed basically everyone. Dropping Obamacare would cause premiums to skyrocket across the board.

What we actually need is single-payer, but I don't think the idiots in Washington would do that without guns to their heads; not something I'm necessarily opposed to.


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11 Mar 2017, 5:49 pm

GOP plan will fail.

They are ending the mandate to buy insurance, yet insurers cannot deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

**Also, Note: GOP is talking about "super-charging" HSAs. HSAs function much like 401k now, so this could be an alternate 401k for those that seldom use it.



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11 Mar 2017, 7:09 pm

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In truth, the last plan the GOP was working on would have screwed basically everyone. Dropping Obamacare would cause premiums to skyrocket across the board.

What we actually need is single-payer, but I don't think the idiots in Washington would do that without guns to their heads; not something I'm necessarily opposed to.


I had rather naively hoped that Trump would at the very least fight to keep his promise of universal coverage, as years ago he had seemed to support single-payer. But that seems to just be another of Trump's empty promises. I'm still glad I didn't vote for the guy.


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11 Mar 2017, 9:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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In truth, the last plan the GOP was working on would have screwed basically everyone. Dropping Obamacare would cause premiums to skyrocket across the board.

What we actually need is single-payer, but I don't think the idiots in Washington would do that without guns to their heads; not something I'm necessarily opposed to.


I had rather naively hoped that Trump would at the very least fight to keep his promise of universal coverage, as years ago he had seemed to support single-payer. But that seems to just be another of Trump's empty promises. I'm still glad I didn't vote for the guy.

He doesn't have any true political leaning. He doesn't care about anything but his own personal power. He's a chameleon who just happens to be playing Mr. Republican at the moment.



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11 Mar 2017, 9:53 pm

Why did you love Obamacare so much? Was it not deeply flawed?

Would you prefer Obamacare over a European style system?


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11 Mar 2017, 10:00 pm

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Why did you love Obamacare so much? Was it not deeply flawed?

Would you prefer Obamacare over a European style system?


Trust me, all of us liberals - both Aspies and NTs - would have preferred a European style single-payer system. As bad as Obamacare was, at least it helped people. The Republican alternative would be considerably worse, which is why Obamacare is worth fighting for.


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11 Mar 2017, 10:14 pm

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Republicans believe that taking care of people isn't the government's business, period. They lay it right out in the open. They believe America is built on the principle of survival of the fittest. Everyone works hard for themselves and nobody owes anyone else anything, not healthcare, not a living, nothing. People who don't agree with that ideology shouldn't be voting for Republicans. If you are you are being manipulated.


I have to largely agree with this, even though I'm autistic and have had a poor time finding something I can truly make a living at that will make me a "producer". Too few jobs, too many people. I was talking with my mom about this a while back, and she was talking about how when she was a kid (1950s) there was a place for people like me who were "odd" but could do certain jobs well. There was a demand for those jobs, so there was a place for weird people. Today, there are so few jobs that the employers simply hire perfect people and discard everybody else for even the smallest imperfection, then arrogantly tell them to "get a job".

Up until the Industrial Revolution, most people were farmers. You didn't work, you starved. That's the type of world American society was formed in. Today, automation has taken most jobs away. Even worse, people now live in cities, and are unable to grow their own food. When the whole thing comes crashing down, the result is something like Venezuela, where urbanites wait in blocks-long lines for tiny amounts of food.



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11 Mar 2017, 10:24 pm

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Republicans believe that taking care of people isn't the government's business, period. They lay it right out in the open. They believe America is built on the principle of survival of the fittest. Everyone works hard for themselves and nobody owes anyone else anything, not healthcare, not a living, nothing. People who don't agree with that ideology shouldn't be voting for Republicans. If you are you are being manipulated.
I have to largely agree with this, even though I'm autistic and have had a poor time finding something I can truly make a living at that will make me a "producer". Too few jobs, too many people. I was talking with my mom about this a while back, and she was talking about how when she was a kid (1950s) there was a place for people like me who were "odd" but could do certain jobs well. There was a demand for those jobs, so there was a place for weird people. Today, there are so few jobs that the employers simply hire perfect people and discard everybody else for even the smallest imperfection, then arrogantly tell them to "get a job".

Up until the Industrial Revolution, most people were farmers. You didn't work, you starved. That's the type of world American society was formed in. Today, automation has taken most jobs away. Even worse, people now live in cities, and are unable to grow their own food. When the whole thing comes crashing down, the result is something like Venezuela, where urbanites wait in blocks-long lines for tiny amounts of food.
And that will be the end of the western obesity epidemic.


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Republicans believe that taking care of people isn't the government's business, period. They lay it right out in the open. They believe America is built on the principle of survival of the fittest. Everyone works hard for themselves and nobody owes anyone else anything, not healthcare, not a living, nothing. People who don't agree with that ideology shouldn't be voting for Republicans. If you are you are being manipulated.
Are there no entitled Republicans?


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