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Well it hasn't been determined false so you're a bit premature with your assessment. A bit of wishful thinking I suppose.

And seriously? You thought it necessary to define myth?

Last edited by Lukeda420 on 04 Apr 2017, 8:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I think it's pretty well established that Putin is running an authoritarian dictatorship essentially. It doesn't make him the boogeyman but it doesn't make him look good.

You're right, the existence of Big Foot has not been proven to be false yet.

So that's the idea right? It's not a matter of there being any actual proof - just as long as it can't be proven false.

All the religions love using that argument. "Can you prove the Great God Jubu doesn't exist?".

And yeah, sadly to say I did feel it necessary to define what a myth is.

Trump is in collusion with Putin who won the election for him and is his puppet master - be afraid, be very afraid.

When you have the House of Representatives, The Senate and the FBI investigating those things come back to me. Otherwise go away with your useless semantics argument.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/ ... nntv-jail/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ow/520509/

And if you're really interested in the Trump/Russia allegations watch Rep. Schiff's Opening Statement:



He lays it out very well.

I'll bet you 1000 qutaloos that all this will have gotten nowhere a month from now.

Wolf Blitzer: "Have you seen any hard evidence of collusion yet?"

Joaquin Castro: "Uh... I guess... uh I would say this... that my impression is...".



The same speculation, conjecture and innuendo as always, going on for months now.

How much is this costing the tax payers?

Putin is a ancient agent of the KGB who is using their heritage of propaganda and spying, don't hesitate to assassinate his opponents and it's in Russia interest that NATO and the Euro zone are disintegrated and in Russia next decade economic interest to avoid the working of international treaty on global warming as their economy is very dependent on oil exportation. Add to that Putin and Trump having compatible ideologies.

And this is when Tillerson's role becomes suspicious. The former Exxon CEO and Russia's Medal of Friendship recipient.

It's verified fact that Trump and his associates were under surveillance by the Obama administration, they shouldn't be a surprise or hard to believe considering what we already know about the nature of Obama's surveillance state where it has been confirmed that they have spied on journalists, foreign allied leaders, the US senate, and even the SCOTUS. Of course they were all over Trump and the leaks are really all the evidence you need, how was this call between General Flynn and the Russian ambassador leak and with what means? Unmasking happened, crimes have been committed and I find it very hard to believe that it wasn't all directed from up top. Obama personally signed off on spying on Angela Merkel, so this idea that it's preposterous that he did the same with Trump is I think laughable.

There is nothing improper about Trump's relationship with Russia, it should be his right as the President and Commander-in-Chief to dictate our relationship with Russia not unelected officials or Cold War-afflicted geriatrics. Russia and the US should be friends, we can accomplish far more of shared interests together than apart. NATO is antiquated since its aimed at stopping the Soviet Union, if Turkey can be considered a NATO ally then why can't we just at least work with the Russians? If Saudi Arabia and Egypt are major allies of ours, then what is the argument against Putin?

What pisses me off most of all about this Russia BS is that what it is effectively doing is preventing the US from normalizing relations with Russia which is by design of course. I do not like or trust the military brass that have forced their way into Trump's administration after the dismissal of General Flynn as NSA.

Not a crazy foaming at the mouth xenophobe towards Russia, I see more in common with the US and more shared interests with Russia than a lot of our so called allies. No, I would not die for Ukraine or Georgia or any of the eastern bloc or former Soviet Republics. Honestly it's a tough sell for even our real allies who do not even try to keep up their end of the bargain.

If only Judge Judy was in charge of this thing....

Judge Judy: "Have you seen any hard evidence of collusion yet?"

Joaquin Castro: "Um..."

Judge Judy: "Um is not an answer!"

Joaquin Castro: "I guess... uh I would say this..."

Judge Judy: "Listen to me carefully Mr. Castro, I asked you a yes or no question. Your answer should be yes or no.

Joaquin Castro: "my impression is...".

Judge Judy: "You're not listening! I don't care what your opinion is! I want to hear yes or no. Now, have you seen any hard evidence of collusion yet?"

Joaquin Castro: "Um..."

Judge Judy: "Your case is dismissed! Next!"

What Lukeda420 said.

One thing Likes420 said was wishful thinking on my part. But I have no wishes about any of this. I'm not hoping Trump is found innocent or guilty. I don't really care about Trump or like him all that much (which applies to 99% of the population).

I'm just calling it the way I see it. And what I've been seeing for weeks is a circus witch hunt, based on nothing but suspicion, speculation and innuendo.

The answer to Wolf Blitzer's question, after all this time and investigations, is still no. There is no hard evidence of collusion.

Now as far as to what degree "Obamagate" is being investigated in comparison, that turn of events is considerably newer. It took a lot of time for the Trump investigation to get to where it is now.

Do I have wishful thinking of Obama being found guilty? Again, I don't care. He's just some private citizen now and I don't care about him one way or the other.

However, if this whole fiasco results in a backfire with "the other side" getting in trouble, I would find that pretty amusing.

Now Trump has given Russia and Assad a free reign in Syria And what does Assad do next - attacks the population with chemical weapons.

And somehow, this too is Obama's fault.

I guess there is no point in Trump taking any action as Obama has made things so awful there is no path forward. [sarcasm mine]

Blaming that on Trump is ridiculous, Obama supported ISIS in Syria so he is most responsible for everything that happens there. I doubt the truth of the reporting to be honest, all sides in Syria have at this point used 'chemical weapons'.

And Trump's response now is to do nothing? Whether or not Obama's actions led to this attack is irrelevant now. Trump doesn't want to get involved, which is sad. America has power to help in this situation.