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24 Aug 2017, 10:25 pm

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Most of them don't even read the bible, they just use Christianity as a mask.
That is true of far too many people. It is a very sad thing; it is part of why there is so much good which people could do in life and it does not get done. There is some reading here which may be of interest, https://www.redletterchristians.org/

As for me, I am a very long way from being a perfect person - and there's paperwork to prove it. As well as seeing my own failings I can see some of the church's. Perhaps not exactly the same ones as another person might perceive, but just as I am not what I could be, the church as a whole is not what it could be, should be. As a whole it should be reaching out to people one by one by one by one, each Christian to another person, be they believer or non-believer and establishing relationships with them. And being the kind of people where others observe then get curious about "What is this thing you have? It is appealing, and I am curious" even as the church shows that "we stand for these things" - and do that standing without hate and arrogance. It will not be without controversy, it can not be without controversy, if there is a line dividing right and wrong it will by definition be controversial in this life. And my editorial opinion is that modern western society is on a path filled with stuff and diversions which is doing a grand job of getting in the way of the church developing those many one on one relationships with all manner of people - when your life is overflowing with stuff and diversions how can you reach out to others, there is no time.

People who claim to be Christian have zero business being bigoted or racist - if everyone is descended from Adam and Eve then we are all related to each other, humanity is one family. But if the spiritual world is real, then a most efficient method for ungodly spirits to discredit the people of God is to entice the people in to inhuman behaviors and attitudes or enhance the ones they inherently have as fallen beings.

And those who merely use Christianity as a mask are prime targets for that, easy meat. Why expend a bunch of time and effort going against those who know their stuff when so many have so shallow a faith, if it is for real at all. But then again, if dark spirits can bring down the strong, that is a very useful victory, a lot of mileage can be had from it.
And I should know, I have fallen to them a couple times.

I learn from it and continue to live.


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25 Aug 2017, 12:43 am

As a "stupid man" I find this thread horrible :(



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25 Aug 2017, 12:57 am

Sly this isn't about putting less intelligent people down. And you're not stupid. We've had lots of interesting conversations.

I can tell you that as an intelligent woman I find that men aren't really that interested in me. Other intelligent women I know find the same.

There's gotta be a reason for that.

Also a lot of men really do think they are superior to women. It is an issue.

It's something I'm quite cautious about. It's one of my worst scenarios for a relationship, ending up with someone who really thinks he's better than me just because he's a man and who doesn't really respect me.

Though, being the kind of person I am. I don't think someone like that would ask me out any way thankfully.



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25 Aug 2017, 2:29 am

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A lot of stupid people really just flat-out don't like intelligent people, they even assume that there's something wrong with them more often than not because they can't make sense of the person's behavior. Really, quite often, it seems like the more subtle things seem out of place with a person the more triggered they get. I'm kinda getting the drift that it's not so much that they just love living in very small/narrow worlds - it's all they're capable of and anything foreign endangers their internal stability in frightful ways.


True. I'm reminded of the way certain types of people treat nerds, for instance. Many are treated as outcasts or undesirables. It seems as if intelligence and achievement somehow equals failure, at least in the social sphere. Weird world we live in...doesn't make sense to me.

Intelligence doesn't necessarily buy social capital in the society we live in.


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25 Aug 2017, 3:33 am

Best thing to do is step away from the mainstream and build a social group of other like minded people. I don't mean totally remove oneself, I still associate with regular folks.

I've moved around a lot and have good friends scattered all over the uk. Women who are interested in geeky things like me.

I've also ended up working in an academic research institute, so the other women on my floor are research scientists and i get on with them quite well. We still talk about shoes and decorating though. We're not all brainy all the time lol.

I'm still not very good at making male friends though I do know some intelligent men that I enjoy talking to when I see them. The problem dating wise with that is it's just great for me to get someone to debate with and I know men will have a debate more than my female friends will, or my female friends just naturally agree with me because we're similar.

My intelligent male acqaintances don't want to date me, I'm a bit too argumentative intellectualy. Even they want a woman who will look up to them. Its not that i dont respect them, i do, but i dont behave like other softer women and they go for the more stereotypical women over me.

Older men over 50 tend to be more attracted to me. I think they feel they can get away with flirting because they know the age difference is too much. I guess they feel age and experience gives them the edge and I'm not threatening.



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25 Aug 2017, 6:49 am

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True. I'm reminded of the way certain types of people treat nerds, for instance. Many are treated as outcasts or undesirables. It seems as if intelligence and achievement somehow equals failure, at least in the social sphere. Weird world we live in...doesn't make sense to me.

Intelligence doesn't necessarily buy social capital in the society we live in.

It's really like conformity itself is our practicing catholicism - we take it as seriously as we used to take salvation/perdition. It's one of several very odd paradoxes in human nature that I've noticed.


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25 Aug 2017, 6:52 am

I think I'm finally at the point, at least with desire for a female partner in my life, where I'm not wracked with convulsions of hope and depression nearly as much but I do see where I'll want to find some sense of continued 'family' somewhere in my life even if it isn't literal - particularly after my parents pass. There's something really wholesome about dear and dedicated human interconnectedness. While things have gotten a lot better through technology on many fronts, somehow we took all the guards off on the social side and it's like our culture's atomizing to leave us all in living situations as isolated as the cubicles at work.


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25 Aug 2017, 7:39 am

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What's red pill?


You must be new here or have managed to avoid L&D.

There's some good discussions on red pill forums like why are so many men at risk of suicide? Why are there little to no shelters for male domestic abuse survivors?

But then there's the 'it's scientifically proven that women are inferior' threads, which are just depressing to read in the 21st century.

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The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the sometimes painful truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)


I'm a little ranty about this atm because this really lovely atheist guy I know revealed that he's an advocate of red pill philosophy. So I visited the various forums to find out more and was quite shocked.

I'm a peace and love kinda gal. To me it's needlessly divisive and doesn't take into account intelligent, none game playing women who want to be respected.

Broke my heart really.

If he's really lovely then he probably hasn't subscribed to the more radical stuff. Don't give up on him just based on what other men who aren't him are saying. (I'm not saying you are giving up, I don't know if you are. But just don't think he's been lost to the dark side or something before at least seeing if he's the same way.)



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25 Aug 2017, 8:35 am

If only I had Sophia Loren as an economics professor in bed with me....

Viagra times 1000!



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25 Aug 2017, 9:00 am

I imagine there are a fair number of men who would feel threatened by an intelligent woman. I, personally, find intelligence to be a huge turn-on. However, I've also met a fair number of women, online and in real life, whose position was a lot more "It's important that people acknowledge my intelligence socially, and I'll feel insulted if you challenge my ideas" rather than "I'd be stimulated by an in-depth discussion of these ideas". This in turn makes me suspicious when a woman says she values intellect, considers herself an intellectual/academic/sapiosexual, or whichever other variation on the same theme. It's not that I actively disbelieve her or feel threatened by the idea, I'm just waiting for a demonstration.


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25 Aug 2017, 9:03 am

Yeah...I've gotten that "I'm insulted if you challenge me" vibe lots of times.

It's quite irritating.......



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25 Aug 2017, 9:07 am

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I imagine there are a fair number of men who would feel threatened by an intelligent woman. I, personally, find intelligence to be a huge turn-on. However, I've also met a fair number of women, online and in real life, whose position was a lot more "It's important that people acknowledge my intelligence socially, and I'll feel insulted if you challenge my ideas" rather than "I'd be stimulated by an in-depth discussion of these ideas". This in turn makes me suspicious when a woman says she values intellect, considers herself an intellectual/academic/sapiosexual, or whichever other variation on the same theme. It's not that I actively disbelieve her or feel threatened by the idea, I'm just waiting for a demonstration.


Those look like cerebral narcissists to me, and underlying narcissism is an insecure ego. I can't stand narcissists of any kind...both the shallow, vain ones and gifted cerebral narcissists are very irritating.


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25 Aug 2017, 10:09 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
I imagine there are a fair number of men who would feel threatened by an intelligent woman. I, personally, find intelligence to be a huge turn-on. However, I've also met a fair number of women, online and in real life, whose position was a lot more "It's important that people acknowledge my intelligence socially, and I'll feel insulted if you challenge my ideas" rather than "I'd be stimulated by an in-depth discussion of these ideas". This in turn makes me suspicious when a woman says she values intellect, considers herself an intellectual/academic/sapiosexual, or whichever other variation on the same theme. It's not that I actively disbelieve her or feel threatened by the idea, I'm just waiting for a demonstration.


Sounds like SJW type feminists.

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Best thing to do is step away from the mainstream and build a social group of other like minded people. I don't mean totally remove oneself, I still associate with regular folks.

I've moved around a lot and have good friends scattered all over the uk. Women who are interested in geeky things like me.

I've also ended up working in an academic research institute, so the other women on my floor are research scientists and i get on with them quite well. We still talk about shoes and decorating though. We're not all brainy all the time lol.

I'm still not very good at making male friends though I do know some intelligent men that I enjoy talking to when I see them. The problem dating wise with that is it's just great for me to get someone to debate with and I know men will have a debate more than my female friends will, or my female friends just naturally agree with me because we're similar.

My intelligent male acqaintances don't want to date me, I'm a bit too argumentative intellectualy. Even they want a woman who will look up to them. Its not that i dont respect them, i do, but i dont behave like other softer women and they go for the more stereotypical women over me.

Older men over 50 tend to be more attracted to me. I think they feel they can get away with flirting because they know the age difference is too much. I guess they feel age and experience gives them the edge and I'm not threatening.


I wish I could do that (Build a social group) but it's like pulling teeth when you live in the Bible Belt.

I figured nerdy/geeky men would love intelligent women. The jerks at school would point and laugh at girls that wore glasses and call them "overachievers". But they loved the cheerleaders who I will admit I had crushes on but when I talked to them, they were sometimes shallow intellectually. The crushes also wore off when they didn't like me back the way I hoped for.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:09 pm

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Sly this isn't about putting less intelligent people down. And you're not stupid. We've had lots of interesting conversations.

I can tell you that as an intelligent woman I find that men aren't really that interested in me. Other intelligent women I know find the same.

There's gotta be a reason for that.

Also a lot of men really do think they are superior to women. It is an issue.

It's something I'm quite cautious about. It's one of my worst scenarios for a relationship, ending up with someone who really thinks he's better than me just because he's a man and who doesn't really respect me.

Though, being the kind of person I am. I don't think someone like that would ask me out any way thankfully.


I'm certainly not. I could never do a science career I suck at high level math and sicence. My spelling and grammar aren't that good. Since those are how people determine intelligence I must be stupid. I don't have a doctorate or even a bachelors degree.

I have no problem with intelligent women but it does seem they have problem with me :( I would have a problem if they were having a I'm better and smarter then you attitude all the time. But who wants to be belittled constantly in a relationship.
Would any of your friends date s guy with just a high school education?

I dont know if it's a lot. Sure there's some but I don't get that "I'm better then women " attitude from most guys. I think most usually talk about how they can be good enough for a woman. So i dont know if it's a U.K. And east coast problem but certainly doesn't seem common in Pacific Northwest.

However most women here are either getting college degrees or have one, some have multiple ones. The 22 old at work has 2 almost. In the future I imagine all women here will have atleast one college degree. Men on he other hand is probably 50%. A lot of guys get non college jobs. Bunch join the military, work construction, sawmills, lumberjack, security, wearhouse, etc. so huge intelligent women vs stupid men ratio.
People partner up though regardless of the guys stupid lumberjack and lady went to college. That's actually seems quite common. Most couples I've met the woman is educated and the husband isn't.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:31 pm

My sister has a higher IQ than me and married a guy with just a high school education.

That doesn't mean he's stupid.

Just re-read your post sly. You are saying you have hope because so many guys do end up with educated women.

Stalemate.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:38 pm

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hurtloam wrote:
Victor1985 wrote:
What's red pill?


You must be new here or have managed to avoid L&D.

There's some good discussions on red pill forums like why are so many men at risk of suicide? Why are there little to no shelters for male domestic abuse survivors?

But then there's the 'it's scientifically proven that women are inferior' threads, which are just depressing to read in the 21st century.

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The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the sometimes painful truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)


I'm a little ranty about this atm because this really lovely atheist guy I know revealed that he's an advocate of red pill philosophy. So I visited the various forums to find out more and was quite shocked.

I'm a peace and love kinda gal. To me it's needlessly divisive and doesn't take into account intelligent, none game playing women who want to be respected.

Broke my heart really.

If he's really lovely then he probably hasn't subscribed to the more radical stuff. Don't give up on him just based on what other men who aren't him are saying. (I'm not saying you are giving up, I don't know if you are. But just don't think he's been lost to the dark side or something before at least seeing if he's the same way.)


Yeah no, that's not what I'm seeing on Facebook. I don't think he'd tolerate a liberal like me. I really got the impression from what he's written and things he's liked that he looks down on my type and thinks he's better than folk like me.

I don't like arrogance. He is so polite and good with customers and was really sweet to me, but there's an arrogance simmering under the surface that I've glimpsed and I feel intimidated by.