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29 Aug 2017, 9:20 pm

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It sounds like the Marfa Lights, which I saw as a kid. Sadly, it's been explained. As the ground cools in the evening, it compresses slightly. This compression causes the piezoelectric effect in buried crystals, and that type of electrical discharge may cause lights to appear.

Sorry. I really wanted it to be metaphysical.


Hmm could be simular but that one seems specific to a certain area, and occurs often. This was just a one time thing I saw in Denver, Colorado which has a significantly different landscape than desert areas of texas.


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29 Aug 2017, 9:21 pm

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Some orange orbs are probably lights on terrestrial air craft.
Probably not. Orange light is not used on aircraft, red, white, green, only. For example, https://www.whelen.com/pb/Aviation/Syst ... ystems.pdf


If it was an aircraft I'd think there would have been more noise, and the things wouldn't have moved completely independently. It was four separate objects.


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29 Aug 2017, 9:32 pm

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If it was an aircraft I'd think there would have been more noise, ...
Depending on several things, altitudes of various wind directions, aircraft speed, aircraft type, aircraft powerplant type, flying aircraft other than helicopters can sometimes be surprisingly quiet at ground level.


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29 Aug 2017, 9:37 pm

And there are a LOT of aircraft up there. For fun and information -
https://www.flightradar24.com/36.86,-99.23/4

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Flightradar24 is a global flight tracking service that provides you with real-time information about thousands of aircraft around the world. Our service is currently available online and for your iOS (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch) or Android device.


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29 Aug 2017, 9:57 pm

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So I keep kind of fixating on a few years ago when I saw four glowing orbs(the only way I can describe them) floating in the sky. My dad and another person also saw these things so no I wasn't high or tripping or anything like that. But yeah they flew over and stopped and then they did a pattern of lighting up...like there were four and they would go dark and light up in a pattern. When I first saw these things I thought they were the kind of fire-works that look kind of like comets, but then instead of falling all the way down and disaapearing like the fire-works they just stopped falling and started dancing in the sky and they did that a bit before they stopped above me and my dad and started doing the light flashing pattern.

And I have looked on the internet and can't find any simular experiences from people, has anyone else seen anything like that here? I mean I have no specific ideas on what they were but it seemed so weird as I have never seen anything like that in my life before. But yeah glowing sky orbs with comet looking tails except when they stopped moving the tails disappeared. I just don't know what they were, but they did not seem sinister at all if anything they gave off a rather happy vibe. But have just been trying to find out if anyone else has seen anything like that before.

Of course maybe no one will believe this and just dismiss it as some sort of paranoid ravings, but it is something I actually saw so there is that.


In modern days, with the popularity of drones that can be coordinated to fly in formation, it can be very difficult to determine if what one is seeing is something unusual or a well coordinated drone fleet, unless one is familiar with the limitations of drone aviation.

19 years ago, however, this was not a factor. Does what you saw sound anything like what was reported in this NUFORC report from a sighting in 1998?

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Multiple lights decend in formation, stop and form a swarm, then form two bright lights and mimic cessna and dissapear over horizon.

I do not remeber the exact date or time and some of the finer details of this event however it took place in early January, I believe in 1998. A more accurate report was filed with the Ventura/Santa Barbara MUFON chapter.

I was sitting in the car parking lot of Albertsons in Camarillo. It was the early evening and the sun had just set. The sky was sufficiently dark to see stars and it was clear exept for maybe a few cirrus clouds. I was facing NW and had just reached forward to change the radio station when out of the corner of my eye, to the right, I saw what I had first thought to be firework embers falling down from the sky. There were about 12 to 20 whight lights, about the magnitude of polaris, falling down in a ring formation. Suddenly these "firework" embers did something rather unusual. They stopped dead in the sky. This ring was suspended at what I estimate to be an altitude of maybe 1500 feet though I am not good at estimating altitude and they maye have been much higher.

After about 1.5 second pause, these lights suddenly started swarming around eachother erradically. If I recall correctly some were "glittering". This swarm moved almost right overhead me and some of the lights left the swarm and flew around the sky while others appeared to join the swarm from higher altitudes.

Two of the lights in this swarm started to become brighter and most of the lights in the swarm merged with these two brighter lights while the remaining ones flew out of the swarm and faded from few. These two bright lights now moved closer to eachother and then started blinking on and off in sequence. One would blink on while the other would blink off. At this point in the event, the object(s) would easly pass for a cessna. The blinking lights slowly began to move NW, parallel with the hill that runs behind Camarillo where I eventually lost sight of them behind the houses on the horizon.

I ran inside the market to tell my mom what I had just saw. A few minutes later on the way home we saw three or four fighter jets, in formation, flying from the direction the lights disappeared from. I imagine the jets were dispatched from Vandeberg AFB.

((NUFORC Note: Date is approximate. PD))


THE NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER


Yes it was exactly like that.


You should report it to NUFORC. You can also search their database to see if there have been similar sightings in your area.


I probably will, also they have quite a few similar sightings on there as well aside from the one you posted. It also says though that its still unknown what they are and some of the descriptions are a bit different but a lot certainly seem very similar to what I saw.


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29 Aug 2017, 10:02 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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If it was an aircraft I'd think there would have been more noise, ...
Depending on several things, altitudes of various wind directions, aircraft speed, aircraft type, aircraft powerplant type, flying aircraft other than helicopters can sometimes be surprisingly quiet at ground level.



There is that, but also aircrafts have a more direct path and cannot split into 4 seperate objects. It was evening so had just started getting dark but light enough you could clearly see there was no aircraft attached to them.


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29 Aug 2017, 10:45 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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Some orange orbs are probably lights on terrestrial air craft.
Probably not. Orange light is not used on aircraft, red, white, green, only. For example, https://www.whelen.com/pb/Aviation/Syst ... ystems.pdf


Civilian air craft. Military aircraft is a different story.



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29 Aug 2017, 11:38 pm

Chronos wrote:
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Some orange orbs are probably lights on terrestrial air craft.
Probably not. Orange light is not used on aircraft, red, white, green, only. For example, https://www.whelen.com/pb/Aviation/Syst ... ystems.pdf


Civilian air craft. Military aircraft is a different story.

I disagree, show me that they are a different story.

Note: while military aircraft have electroluminescent formation lights that civil aircraft do not, pale green lighting is irrelevant to the orange orb situation.
https://www.astronics.com/product?produ ... tionLights


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31 Aug 2017, 2:49 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Chronos wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Some orange orbs are probably lights on terrestrial air craft.
Probably not. Orange light is not used on aircraft, red, white, green, only. For example, https://www.whelen.com/pb/Aviation/Syst ... ystems.pdf


Civilian air craft. Military aircraft is a different story.

I disagree, show me that they are a different story.

Note: while military aircraft have electroluminescent formation lights that civil aircraft do not, pale green lighting is irrelevant to the orange orb situation.
https://www.astronics.com/product?produ ... tionLights


I wrote an entire topic in aircraft lighting but it disappeared (as some of my posts do). My source is the fact that I used to live in close proximity to a military air base, but here are quotes from two military pilots on a thread on reddit about this.

"Fighter dude here, when we fly night formation we turn everything off but position lights and anti-collision. The anti collision is usually red, which to me looks more orange. We do it because when you fly formation you take all of your visual cues from references on the other aircraft, which can get difficult if it has strobes on. "

"Anti-collision strobe. Position do not. Position lights can also be put into a flash or steady state. There is no regulation for having landing lights on under 10000 MSL.
C-130 FE here"



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31 Aug 2017, 3:04 am

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I wrote an entire topic in aircraft lighting but it disappeared (as some of my posts do).
Aw man, that sucks.
While we're talking about pilot people, Grandad W. was a civil pilot in 40s, 50s, and 60s; and Dad began his USN career in 1960s flying but one of those fabled eyesight troubles eventually forced him to go surface warfare.
(which meant he didn't end up flying over Vietnam, so I guess the thing wasn't all bad)
Anyway, yes, military aircraft lighting won't be producing orange orb glows.


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31 Aug 2017, 3:11 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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I wrote an entire topic in aircraft lighting but it disappeared (as some of my posts do).
Aw man, that sucks.
While we're talking about pilot people, Grandad W. was a civil pilot in 40s, 50s, and 60s; and Dad began his USN career in 1960s flying but one of those fabled eyesight troubles eventually forced him to go surface warfare.
(which meant he didn't end up flying over Vietnam, so I guess the thing wasn't all bad)
Anyway, yes, military aircraft lighting won't be producing orange orb glows.


Sometimes white lights can appear orange depending on the atmospheric conditions.



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31 Aug 2017, 3:21 am

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Sometimes white lights can appear orange depending on the atmospheric conditions.
Which is something I've not seen myself: I also have no data with which to claim it isn't possible.

Given that aircraft in one piece typically don't produce orange spheres of light; that the spheres are often said to produce no sound; and that size changes have been reported; and that some seen close are the size of a Mini Cooper or smaller; and their behavior patterns being unusual; it is not likely the orange spheres are produced by aircraft.

What they are is definitely a curiosity.

There are people who claim to have observed orange spheres create crop circles. And that opens a whole 'nother can of worms.


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31 Aug 2017, 3:24 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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Sometimes white lights can appear orange depending on the atmospheric conditions.
Which is something I've not seen myself: I also have no data with which to claim it isn't possible.

Given that aircraft in one piece typically don't produce orange spheres of light; that the spheres are often said to produce no sound; and that size changes have been reported; and that some seen close are the size of a Mini Cooper or smaller; and their behavior patterns being unusual; it is not likely the orange spheres are produced by aircraft.

What they are is definitely a curiosity.

There are people who claim to have observed orange spheres create crop circles. And that opens a whole 'nother can of worms.


I'm not talking about all sighting of orange orbs, or even the OP's sighting. I am merely stating, sometimes orange lights are attached to airplanes.



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31 Aug 2017, 3:29 am

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I am merely stating, sometimes orange lights are attached to airplanes.
I'm still not persuaded that airplanes might have orange lights or perhaps give appearance of having orange lights.
Then again, maybe it has something to do with my standard for calling something the hue of orange being that http://www.railpictures.net/photo/618403/


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01 Sep 2017, 1:15 pm

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It sounds like the Marfa Lights, which I saw as a kid. Sadly, it's been explained. As the ground cools in the evening, it compresses slightly. This compression causes the piezoelectric effect in buried crystals, and that type of electrical discharge may cause lights to appear.

Sorry. I really wanted it to be metaphysical.

I think Marfa Lights are mostly just extremely distant headlights. They can appear to bounce around or even change color due to atmospheric refraction. A shallow layer of cold dense air near the ground can be stirred up into waves and turbulence by the wind. It is similar to mirage effects you can see during the day when heat-generated pockets of lower density air are mixing upwards. Objects near the horizon appear to shimmer and bounce around.

The description Sweatleaf gave doesn't sound like that to me. She described the lights as being fairly close, not far away on the horizon (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm skeptical of the "little green men" theories, but nonetheless find unexplained phenomenon like this fascinating. I'm actually a little jealous. I've never experienced anything I would consider genuinely "paranormal" first hand.