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25 Sep 2017, 4:39 pm

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Yeah, label people who oppose racism and genocide as Communists. I see what you Nazis are doing here.

Black lives do matter. I oppose police killing people on whims. And that mineset is dismissed as Communism by Trump's National Socialist fan base.

You know, Hitler also killed those who lived with autism.


To be fair, the current wave of pseudo-fascists in America don't buy into the entire package of ideas that the NSDAP promoted. They're still mostly opposed to anything resembling a social safety net (the NSDAP weren't), and they (mostly) don't support notions of 'racial hygine' that would lead to supporting sterilization or mass murder of 'genetic defectives'. They're not the same even if they're superficially similar.


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25 Sep 2017, 4:41 pm

I'm really worried that his thread will get locked.

@ KagamineLen: Yeah. I get it. You're angry. You're angry because you are trying to knock some sense into the Trumpites. It's hopless man. Cool your jets. I will admit that I get angry on the internet sometimes, but you appear to be spiraling out of control.

We don't have to convert the cult of Trump. We'll just radicalize the normies and liberals. That way, we'll outnumber the right-wing crazies.

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25 Sep 2017, 4:52 pm

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I fail to see the issue with resisting and interfering with armed mobs of Klansmen and neo-Nazis marching to promote fascism and intimidate communities.


I didn't see much evidence of that.

But here they are assaulting an old man in a wheelchair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeXvR4ND4kY



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25 Sep 2017, 5:37 pm

How to not be attacked by Nazis....don't be black

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25 Sep 2017, 5:42 pm

Chichikov wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I fail to see the issue with resisting and interfering with armed mobs of Klansmen and neo-Nazis marching to promote fascism and intimidate communities.


I didn't see much evidence of that.


I guess you weren't paying attention to any of the recent Nazi/Klan rallies, but that's fair, they don't support your agenda so they don't count.

Since we're using anecdotes to paint the opposition:

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Just another unprovoked assault by a right-wing terrorist. :wink:


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25 Sep 2017, 5:51 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
I guess you weren't paying attention to any of the recent Nazi/Klan rallies, but that's fair, they don't support your agenda so they don't count.

You're right, they don't support my agenda so I don't pay attention to them. I have no interest in Nazi\KKK rallies, and not just because I'm British either. As far as I can tell from the little I've seen online there was a peaceful protest until Antifa turned up and instigated violence, and the left (including the MSM) are spinning this to make Antifa to be defending themselves or something when that's obviously not the case.

They sure showed that old man in the wheelchair though. He must have been a right Nazi c****.



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25 Sep 2017, 6:00 pm

I oppose discrimination against people with disabilities. ;-)

Get the facts straight, Chichi. The violence started Friday night. Antifa showed up in Charlottesville on Saturday. Facts.


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25 Sep 2017, 6:10 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
I guess you weren't paying attention to any of the recent Nazi/Klan rallies, but that's fair, they don't support your agenda so they don't count.

You're right, they don't support my agenda so I don't pay attention to them. I have no interest in Nazi\KKK rallies, and not just because I'm British either. As far as I can tell from the little I've seen online there was a peaceful protest until Antifa turned up and instigated violence, and the left (including the MSM) are spinning this to make Antifa to be defending themselves or something when that's obviously not the case.


The Klan/alt-right/Nazi types in Charlottesville started assaulting non-violent counter protesters on Friday evening. You can try to pretend like they didn't initiate use of force all you'd like, but don't expect me to pretend along with you. I can't insist that every act of violence after that was self-defence, but it most certainly was in response to violence from the armed alt-right thugs.


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25 Sep 2017, 6:27 pm

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The Klan/alt-right/Nazi types in Charlottesville started assaulting non-violent counter protesters on Friday evening.

I wasn't there so I can't say what happened (and unless you were there neither can you), and I can't trust the media either. I just googled about what happened and it seems reports come in three flavours. Left-wing outlets say the "violent Nazi white supremacists" attacked people first, the right-wing outlets say "the violent Antifa counter-protesters" attacked people first. The third flavour was numerous more mainstream ones that didn't really say any one side was the instigator, just that when they met there were clashes.

So the left say it is the right's fault, the right say it's the left's fault, the unbiased say they were as bad as each other.

This is one of the major differences between the likes of you and the likes of I. You only listen to the reports that suit your bias, I look at all reports and simply shrug my shoulders and claim I don't really know who started what. However I do know this....if Antifa hadn't turned up there wouldn't have been violence. They turned up to a right-wing rally with the intention of being an antagonising force, they were definitely the catalyst regardless of "who started it".



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25 Sep 2017, 6:30 pm

False equivalence, and diversion. You didn't mention the timeline, the fundamental element of the proof that Nazis struck first.


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25 Sep 2017, 6:31 pm

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This is one of the major differences between the likes of you and the likes of I. You only listen to the reports that suit your bias, I look at all reports and simply shrug my shoulders and claim I don't really know who started what. However I do know this....if Antifa hadn't turned up there wouldn't have been violence. They turned up to a right-wing rally with the intention of being an antagonising force, they were definitely the catalyst regardless of "who started it".


It's quaint that you make these types of assumptions. Whether or not I read right-wing biased sources and whether or not I consider them credible are two separate things.

Counterprotesters had every right to protest a bunch of out-of-town fascists showing up with weapons in their town, permit or no permit. Their assailants had no right to assault them, even if they were blocking their march. That was the catalyst for violence, when the Nazi thugs started hitting people who were blocking them from marching.


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25 Sep 2017, 6:40 pm

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We have a madman president who won the electoral election on a campaign tailored towards white supremacy.

We have people who are more angry about people kneeling at the National Anthem then the Nazis parading down the city streets.

Not to mention that many people are more angry about the sons of b*****s exercising free speech than they are about a president who has a hard on for nuclear war.

Trump's fan base really wants National Socialism in the USA. They want the colored and the disabled stuffed into death camps and gas ovens. That is reality. Antifa really is the lesser of two evils here. Anybody with autism who supports Trump even now supports National Socialism by default, and they are also supporting a culture that will call for their systematic dehumanization and extermination.

I am disgusted with my country now. Nazis are very fine people, while people protesting racism are sons of b*****s, and anti-Nazis are labeled as terrorists.

We can no longer deny that National Socialism is on the rise in the USA.


Dude, take a break from the net. Lay off the psycho Youtube videos. Have a beer. Go for a walk. Read a good book. Watch some cartoons. You're losing it. You need some time off.


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25 Sep 2017, 6:49 pm

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False equivalence, and diversion. You didn't mention the timeline, the fundamental element of the proof that Nazis struck first.

The timeline is part of the discussion in general so I don't have to mention it, it's implicit in my answers that I'm considering it.



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25 Sep 2017, 6:54 pm

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It's quaint that you make these types of assumptions.


Not really, after conducting the most basic of research the only reports I saw that match your version of events are left-wing publications. So if that's what you believe to be true then what other valid scenario is there other than the fact that you are biased toward left-wing publications?

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Counterprotesters had every right to protest a bunch of out-of-town fascists showing up with weapons in their town, permit or no permit. Their assailants had no right to assault them, even if they were blocking their march. That was the catalyst for violence, when the Nazi thugs started hitting people who were blocking them from marching.


There's a lot of loaded speculation and pejorative language there.

Not that you're biased. Of course.



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25 Sep 2017, 6:59 pm

Chichikov wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
It's quaint that you make these types of assumptions.


Not really, after conducting the most basic of research the only reports I saw that match your version of events are left-wing publications. So if that's what you believe to be true then what other valid scenario is there other than the fact that you are biased toward left-wing publications?

funeralxempire wrote:
Counterprotesters had every right to protest a bunch of out-of-town fascists showing up with weapons in their town, permit or no permit. Their assailants had no right to assault them, even if they were blocking their march. That was the catalyst for violence, when the Nazi thugs started hitting people who were blocking them from marching.


There's a lot of loaded speculation and pejorative language there.

Not that you're biased. Of course.


Have I ever denied being biased? This is one of the major differences between the likes of you and the likes of I. You pretend to be objective while clearly demonstrating bias, I admit my biases and sometimes explicitly point them out as potentially impacting my views. Feel free to view my comment history for examples of this behaviour.


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