Is Islam a denomination of Christianity?

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Regardless of how one may perceive on faith or the other, the fact remains that Mohamed had been deeply influenced by Christians he had met along trade routes in Arabia.

Um...no. Christianity and Islam are diametrically opposed. They're never going to live peacefully with each other...they never have and never will.

Mohammad himself was mentored by an ebionite priest, you can say that Mohammad himself was non-trinitarian christian at some point.

non-trinitarian christianity =/= trinitarian christianity

Nope, the 'Christians along trade routes' wasn't the real story; you can't learn a whole religion just by simply doing trade.


Mohammad himself was mentored by an ebionite priest, you can say that Mohammad himself was non-trinitarian christian at some point.

non-trinitarian christianity =/= trinitarian christianity

I notice many Muslims today seem to have attended an evening seminar on "why Western Christianity is dumb". The opener for that seminar and point number 1 made in all Christian vs Muslim arguments is the Trinity, of all things that could be picked. An interesting coincidence, or perhaps not.

Those who say, "God is the Messiah, son of Mary," have defied God. The Messiah himself said; "Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord." If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers. Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are.

— Qur'an, sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[4]

Probably the closest existing Christian denomination today to Islam is Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses, or nontrinitarian Christians (JWs, Christodelphians, Davidians and Seventh Day Adventists to name a few; Mormons as well) in general?

Only Jehovah's Witnesses, or nontrinitarian Christians (JWs, Christodelphians, Davidians and Seventh Day Adventists to name a few; Mormons as well) in general?

*Sigh* I wish you know how to read arabic, there's a fantastic booklet on this very subject.

It is by Abou Mousa el Hariri, I couldn't find this book translated in English, it explains in details of the most logical explanation on the origin of Islam:

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Arabic/boo ... t_book.pdf

I believe no one dared to translate it.


Islam, was an extension to an already existing Non-trinitarian Christian sect, which were called the Ebionites.

The Ebionites, unlike the Christians, rejected Paul and consider Jesus only as a Prophet and human. Their gospel was called the Gospel of the Ebionites.

And unlike Christians (Catholics, Orthodoxes, Protestants...all Trinity believers) they kept practicing the Jewish laws, hence why they are were seen as Messianic Jews. And alcohol was prohibited for them, according to the book.

[And that explains why Islam and Sharia are very similar to Judaism and Jewish Laws. Actually in Arabic we call the Jewish laws as "Al Sharia el Yahudia" (Jewish Sharia). The way Jews pray today is also very similar to Muslim's way of praying.
Christians today, are extremely different than the Jews: The old testament is by far less important than the new testament in the Christian lives; that's why Christians today apply nothing from the old laws such as not eating pork,, the mandatory daily praying, Kosher meat (Which is called halal in Islam)...etc ]



According to the book, the Ebionites originated from Jerusalem, were the Jews who believed in Jesus but yet couldn't abandon their strict Jewish monotheist belief, hence why they didn't believe him as a god. They were very radically against the Jesus's divinity concept, exactly like the Muslims today. It is also theorized they were originally Nazarenes.

After the declaration of Nice Decree by the two largest churches (Catholics and Orthodoxes) in 325, which defined Christianity as Trinity believers and by result, considering all non-Trinity believers as heritics, the Ebionites became the weakest demography in Jerusalem: They were not accepted neither by Jews nor by Christians. So they immigrated toward Arabia, and there got mixed with Arabian tribes.


It really all started with Khadija, Mohammad's first wife, who was older than him and richer, was a member of the Ebionite sect; her cousin was an the Chief priest of this church called Waraqa, he was an educated man who translated the holy books to Arabic. Waraqa was the mentor of his wife and later the mentor of Mohammad.

When Mohammad claimed to have seen Angel Gabriel, Waraqa declared him as a Saint / Prophet, and hence Waraqa's word was the highest in this sect, the Ebionites eventually became Mohammad's followers.

How else do you think Mohammad got his first army?

The amazing thing is, when you read this book you realize that Islam, is not really a newer religion than Trinitarian Christianity, and there was "Islam" before Islam - Mohammad didn't invent much - so Islam is something ancient....very ancient, an ancient faith as old as the Trinitarian Christianity which was always seen as a threat to the Trinity faith, and that's the secret of its powerful emergence.

The conflict between Islam's view on Jesus vs Christianity's view on Jesus didn't start with Islam.....it started way before that.

I am not familiar with those other denominations, where I live there's only JWs who are nontrinitarian (and Maronites/Catholics/Orthodoxes/Evangelists as trinitarian).

The closest thing in the West to ancient Arianism,and to modern Islam, would probably be the original Unitarians. So named precisely because that's what they were:Uni-Tarian. As opposed to Trinitarian. From their founding in Transylvania in the Sixteenth Century up to and including the time of Emerson, and Thoreau (Unitarian influenced 19th Canturey American authors), they were a more conventional sect than now. Somewhat like the 18th Century Deists who believed in a single jewish-christian type God who will judge you, but not necessarily in the Trinity. Around 1900 the Unitarians merged with the Universalists. The modern UU church is more of a spiritual build-your-own-bear center now than it originally was . I'm okay with either kind of Unitarianism. Just sayin'.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses, or nontrinitarian Christians (JWs, Christodelphians, Davidians and Seventh Day Adventists to name a few; Mormons as well) in general?

I thought Seventh Day Adventists were Trinitarian.

You are correct, I was mistaken to include them. Some of the other Adventist groups aren't, but they are.