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22 Jan 2018, 5:46 am

5 tips to improve your critical thinking



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22 Jan 2018, 6:40 am

What is critical thinking?



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7) Critical thinkers strive to diminish the power of their egocentric and sociocentric tendencies. They embody the Socratic principle (i.e. The unexamined life is not worth living) because they realize that many unexamined lives together result in an uncritical, unjust, and dangerous world (Linda Elder).



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Critical Thinking encompasses six vital skills: problem solving, analysis, creative thinking, interpretation, evaluation, and reasoning. These skills are increasingly in demand as the world transitions to an "ideas economy." According to Forbes, although 70% of university graduates believe they have the critical thinking skills to succeed in the workplace, only one-third of employers agree. New approaches in education and recruitment are needed to address this "gap."




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26 Jan 2018, 6:28 pm

While the Socratic paradox is an important lesson in humility guarding against hubris, just reciting it as a mantra is useless and unproductive. There is such a thing as "objective enough". If one person argues that the earth is flat, and one argues that it's round, then one is objectively more correct than the other. The pedant may enter the stage and say "um, actually it's ellipsoid!" and indeed technically be slightly more correct, or we can say ten Hail Socrates, ignore observable reality and just get cozy in Plato's Cave.

How accurate must something be before you'll concede that it's an objective fact? Pi has an infinite number of decimals, but, none past the 16th are ever used in calculations. Will you insist that the sum total of a literally infinite number be inserted into a calculation, lest the end result not be accurate enough to be called objective?

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26 Jan 2018, 9:06 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
While the Socratic paradox is an important lesson in humility guarding against hubris, just reciting it as a mantra is useless and unproductive. There is such a thing as "objective enough". If one person argues that the earth is flat, and one argues that it's round, then one is objectively more correct than the other. The pedant may enter the stage and say "um, actually it's ellipsoid!" and indeed technically be slightly more correct, or we can say ten Hail Socrates, ignore observable reality and just get cozy in Plato's Cave.

How accurate must something be before you'll concede that it's an objective fact? Pi has an infinite number of decimals, but, none past the 16th are ever used in calculations. Will you insist that the sum total of a literally infinite number be inserted into a calculation, lest the end result not be accurate enough to be called objective?

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Pii is derived from axioms.

"Axioms and postulates are the basic assumptions underlying a given body of deductive knowledge. They are accepted without demonstration."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom

So is Pii an objective fact? No. It doesn't even exist. Someone made it up. They even admit to making it up. Further, whether it has any bearing in reality , or would have any meaning if humans no longer existed, is argued by philosophers (math realists vs math anti-realists). I say Pii doesn't have existential meaning. If you disagree, then you should at least be able to explain how "real numbers" objectively exist, since Pii is a "real number".

That's critical thinking.

Your argument "objective enough" , which is like the saying, "close enough for government work" is lazy thinking.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/close-eno ... nment-work


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27 Jan 2018, 5:54 am

For someone who relentlessly quotes Socrates, you don't seem to be too keen on questions. Instead you take an assertion I didn't make, turn it into a question and then answer that yourself, ignoring the questions I actually posed. Well obfuscated!


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27 Jan 2018, 6:58 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
For someone who relentlessly quotes Socrates, you don't seem to be too keen on questions. Instead you take an assertion I didn't make, turn it into a question and then answer that yourself, ignoring the questions I actually posed. Well obfuscated!

I answered your question.

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How accurate must something be before you'll concede that it's an objective fact? Pi has an infinite number of decimals, but, none past the 16th are ever used in calculations.

From above .... "So is Pii an objective fact? No. It doesn't even exist. Someone made it up. They even admit to making it up. Further, whether it has any bearing in reality , or would have any meaning if humans no longer existed, is argued by philosophers (math realists vs math anti-realists)".

"I say Pii doesn't have existential meaning".


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28 Jan 2018, 2:15 pm

Passion is the nemesis of objective consideration...
In no way can an emotion infused investigation ever equal the quality of objectivity that can be achieved through pure intellectual engagement...

The Oracle of Truth has spoken... 8)



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29 Jan 2018, 5:19 am

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