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21 Jun 2005, 11:45 pm

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Lol sarcastic posted his 666 post about Christainity lol.


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22 Jun 2005, 2:36 pm

Think any bible maker would ever be willing to write a aspie/autie study bible probably not I nominate Beebee and Mockingbird to get it done :-D.



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23 Jun 2005, 3:14 am

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Think any bible maker would ever be willing to write a aspie/autie study bible probably not I nominate Beebee and Mockingbird to get it done :-D.

Only if they can read, write, and speak Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic fluently. I think longer and more pedantic footnotes written by experienced transators containing historical trivia, archeological findings, bible and science, and detailed explainations of social interaction would be better.



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23 Jun 2005, 9:04 am

Sean wrote:
Endersdragon wrote:
Think any bible maker would ever be willing to write a aspie/autie study bible probably not I nominate Beebee and Mockingbird to get it done :-D.

Only if they can read, write, and speak Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic fluently. I think longer and more pedantic footnotes written by experienced transators containing historical trivia, archeological findings, bible and science, and detailed explainations of social interaction would be better.


Thank you Endersdragon. I'll get right on that! :lol:

Don't worry Sean. I plan to plagiarize only from the very best sources. (just kidding folks!)

BeeBee :lol:



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24 Jun 2005, 8:37 am

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Do any of you ever find the bible nearly impossible to understand with all of the symbolism and stuff.


Of course I do! All that sex and violence in the Old Testament, sometimes with God given as the cause! Sheesh!

That's one thing I like about my special interest, Catholicism: it says that you don't have to waste your time trying to interpret it yourself. A lot of people smarter than me over the centuries have done all that legwork!

Claiming that it's self-interpreting or that you can do it yourself has led to people and groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses, creepy polygamous fundamentalist Mormons and Jim Jones.

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I was wondering if any of you ever think that an aspie/autie bible would be a good thing for someone to create explain all that symbolism and stuff.


Not for AS people - we already read extremely well. The same commentaries written for other people would work for us.



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24 Jun 2005, 6:46 pm

very ture. i gree with u. i use bible commentaries, and they r brill.
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26 Jun 2005, 10:58 am

Sometimes I take Bible very literally including verses such as "narrow is the gate that leads to life and few will find it" (but there are so many chrisitans all thinking they are saved) , "take what you have and give it to the poor" (and I am not giving EVERYTHIGN I have including all the money, home, and even sandles to the poor the way his disciples did), "if you have a faith as a mustard seed, you will even be able to tell to mountain to move and it will move" (don't tell me it is figurative because the context of the verse was when Jesus LITERALLY put a Curse upon the fig tree). And this makes me think that gate is SO narrow that neither me nor most ppl today are saved which is why they can't perform miracles. So then I can't even take anyone's word that I am reading bible too literally... why should I? In "real" life I assume most ppl are right so if I am told my mind works too literally then I can just trust them. But in case of Bible I am told that most people are WRONG so how do I know I can trust them? And besides, at some point Jesus even said that he deliberately speaks in parables in order to confuse everyone except the few to whom it is "given" to understand. So how can I trust any orthodox interpretation of parables either?



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27 Jun 2005, 7:21 pm

It's good to know some of the contemporary facts that people had to know in the day, and some of the vocabulary. Yes, the Bible shouldn't be added to, but it isn't adding to the Bible if you try understanding some of the contemporary meanings of words. I believe that sometimes God doesn't want you to perfectly understand a passage of the Bible at the time, but maybe you go through something in your life, and then you understand what the story is about. Some parts of the Bible is a mystery. The Bible is still amazing despite how many times people have read it.



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28 Jun 2005, 11:35 am

Roman, the parables were supposed to be stories, not necessarily true to every last word. There are a lot of difficult passages to understand in the Bible, especially in Ezekiel, Psalms (metaphors) and Revelation, to name a few books. Personally, I found the two easiest books to read are the Gospel of John and the book of Romans. John was written logically. He chose a few points to make about Jesus, then organized miracles, parables and other things to fit into his explanation, kind of like an essay. Romans is one of the other easier books to read because Paul was very straightforward when writing it.

I also have enjoyed the sections of the Old Testament I have read, but some of the cultural practices are confusing. There are several resources that can be used to understand some of the practices they used back then, like all of the feasts and going to war with the other nations around them.


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28 Jun 2005, 12:46 pm

I really no longer consider myself to be a 'Christian' per se, even though I was baptised Russian Orthodox (long story) though I do like to read differant translations of the bible, as well as read liturature of other Religions. (Koran, The Havemal,Dao De Jing,etc.)
One of most intriguing things I've run across a few times, but never had the cash to get was an English translation of the Torah that had been translated directly from Hebew, and annotated by Orthodox Jews. The Right pages of the book (It's published in the Hebrew style) contained the Hebrew Text, whlie the Left page contained The English translation, as well as an overview, with lots of footnotes and addenda.
The several pages of it that I read were much deeper than any Christian translatation that I have read.
Unfortunately, I forget who published it, as well as the specific title. however, You may be able to find a copy at your local Borders in the Religion/Judaica section, provided your town has a sizable jewish population.
The actual size of the book, is about 10x6 (Height/Width) and is not much slimmer than your average soft covered onionskin bound Gideons Bible.
The Bindery is Navy blue in color,Silver Titling, with Hard Bindery, and onionskin bound.
I realise it's not much to go on, but the dead give away if you choose to find it will be the fact that bound in reverse from a 'normal'book (reading from the 'rear to the 'front, as we would say) and has opposite facing pages of Hebrew and English Text.



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05 Jul 2005, 10:25 am

*grins* It's not just Aspies that have issues with the Bible! At least we have practise at decoding! As a general rule, try and read for the gist, rather than for the exact details. Oh, and I find it helps to read the Old Testament like a series of myths and legends, or like the Dreamtime stories. It's basically a history of the world all those years ago: it doesn't *really* matter whether Eve literally ate the fruit; the point is that humanity fell from God's grace. If all else fails, try reading everything with the contention that things were crap, God didn't like it, Jesus came, everybody can share love and life!


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05 Jul 2005, 2:53 pm

Thanks for the great summary, PhoenixKitten! I find it helpful to read through the more historical books, like Judges, First and Second Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, and Acts. Then the other easier ones are the four Gospels (John being my favourite because of the way he organizes his thoughts like an essay), Romans and some of the letters from Paul. If you guys ever need an explanation on all the customs mentioned in the OT, check Numbers, Deuteronomy or Leviticus for an explanation. Those three books will probably explain the same rules ad nauseum, which is why I haven't gotten around to reading them yet. Proverbs and Ecclesiastes also make for a good read, and they're fairly easy.

The difficult books (for me) are: Revelation, Ezekiel, Daniel, Psalms and most of the other prophets. In Revelation there are a bunch of metaphors and visions about the end of the world. Scholars still debate about what they mean. Same kind of the thing with Ezekiel and Daniel. Maybe it's different in the original Hebrew (or Greek for Revelation), but I wouldn't be the one to ask.


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05 Jul 2005, 8:01 pm

I am the opposite, to me Gospels and Romans are the hardest. The reason is that those are the ones that expect me to understand what it means to be "saved" or "born again" which for me is simply too abstract to understand. As for the rest of the Bible well I agree there are some detailes and staff; but those are just historical facts and I don't feel bad about not knowing it all because you don't have to to be "saved".



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05 Jul 2005, 9:53 pm

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The difficult books (for me) are: Revelation, Ezekiel, Daniel, Psalms and most of the other prophets. In Revelation there are a bunch of metaphors and visions about the end of the world. Scholars still debate about what they mean. Same kind of the thing with Ezekiel and Daniel. Maybe it's different in the original Hebrew (or Greek for Revelation), but I wouldn't be the one to ask.

That's interesting. Revelation, Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah, 1&2 Corinthians are my favorites. I like the prophesy and eschatology stuff. :D



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06 Jul 2005, 10:54 am

i don't think AS is the reason y some books of the Bible are harder to understand than others. i think it is becauseGod has not shown u the meaning of it yet. i used to find Jeremiah hard to understand but as i have grown in my faith it has become easyer to understand.
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06 Jul 2005, 6:05 pm

Sean wrote:
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The difficult books (for me) are: Revelation, Ezekiel, Daniel, Psalms and most of the other prophets. In Revelation there are a bunch of metaphors and visions about the end of the world. Scholars still debate about what they mean. Same kind of the thing with Ezekiel and Daniel. Maybe it's different in the original Hebrew (or Greek for Revelation), but I wouldn't be the one to ask.

That's interesting. Revelation, Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah, 1&2 Corinthians are my favorites. I like the prophesy and eschatology stuff. :D


It's not that I don't like them, but I have a harder time understanding them. I had a lot of fun (and a huge challenge) reading through Revelation last summer. Recently, I've been more into history than anything else, so I've read parts of the OT. Mostly just whatever I feel like reading...

Love First and Second Corinthians as well. :) Hey, by the way, what does "eschatology" mean?


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