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28 Mar 2018, 9:03 pm

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Wow, it's hard for me to imagine someone on the Right supporting his style of government, because most people I know on the Right, support LESS government interference. NOT that I don't believe you----this is the only forum site I visit, so I don't know----I just think it's strange.

It's not that far-fetched to see traditionalist/reactionary nationalists outside of Russia sympathizing with Putin, and they'd certainly qualify as 'right wing', just as Putin himself does. :wink:

According to one author, Putin has been regularly financing all right wing parties in Europe.

I doubt that. Corbyn is extremely left wing and gets fawning coverage on RT. Putin wants the west to be weak he doesn't care about internal domestic politics.

Actually, Putin does care about internal domestic policies, precisely because he knows right wing nationalists will weaken the west by turning away from international alliances like the European Union or NATO, and can cause potential domestic chaos. Plus, these nationalists know where the financial aid is coming from.

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28 Mar 2018, 9:13 pm

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I think that's a part of it. I think the pro-Putin right are more interested by the way he suppresses the rights of women and LGBT+ people.

How, exactly, has President Putin "suppressed the rights of women"? Could you provide a specific example?

I believe he loosened the laws regarding domestic violence.

You believe. I need something more substantial than that!

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28 Mar 2018, 10:33 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... c-violence

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28 Mar 2018, 10:46 pm

Perhaps just anecdotally, when I hear people speak well of Putin its often people who are in a position where the current breakdown of order is something that their occupation puts them in constant touch with and yeah, they often do have conservative leanings.

The idea seems to be that authority has been wrested from those who should historically have authority, it's now bringing in a lot of worrying results, and they see him as a guy who is willing to be quite blunt and even brash with his commentary to political opponents and this sympathy gets kicked up particularly when he's said things that one couldn't say in the US, with the US media, but wish they could.

I don't think any of that in a president would be anywhere near enough to offset government drive-by shootings of opposition, poisoning with radioactive metals in countries abroad, etc.. It might just show that there's deep concern in a lot of people's minds over whether we have the resolve to actually solve our problems or whether we'll be stuck having this spiral out of control and turn toward dictatorship as a result. In some ways these people might be something like the early adopters of the later if it had to happen.

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31 Mar 2018, 9:29 am

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Wow, it's hard for me to imagine someone on the Right supporting his style of government, because most people I know on the Right, support LESS government interference.

That's because you are american and your right wing consists mostly of confused liberals

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31 Mar 2018, 9:36 am

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What is your opinion on how so many on both the right and left seem so defensive of the Putin regime? Personally I believe its a case of the west abandoning its principles whether that's international policy of unjust wars or whether its taking away citizens rights such as free speech and privacy.

Since when was unjust wars not part of "western principles"?
Heck Putins wars are more justifiable then what NATO has been doing since it's foundation.

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31 Mar 2018, 10:18 am

Just because you support less government for your own country doesn’t mean you can’t support more for others, to keep foreigners at bay.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:45 pm

Lintar wrote:

Daniel89 wrote:

Lintar wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

I think that's a part of it. I think the pro-Putin right are more interested by the way he suppresses the rights of women and LGBT+ people.

How, exactly, has President Putin "suppressed the rights of women"? Could you provide a specific example?

I believe he loosened the laws regarding domestic violence.

You believe. I need something more substantial than that!

Let me Google that for you:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... c-violence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/0 ... d0498c8d56
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-38767873

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31 Mar 2018, 2:33 pm

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Yes. The right supports less government interference ... except on the issue of surveillance ... and corporate welfare ... and military intervention ... and reproductive rights.

Historically, the right has also fought for segregation and against LGBT rights.

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As for those who support him: The first thing that came to my mind, upon reading the OP, was that those people are lazy, maybe----that they think if the government is taking care of everything, that's that much less they have to worry about. 'Course, it could be argued, I guess, that they feel that much more secure in their futures, economy, military, infrastructure, and so-forth----but, *I* sure wouldn't want such a far-reaching government.

Most people who love Putin love him because he is a patriotic Russian nationalist who hates gays, hates Islam, hates Tatars, hates Jews, and self-identifies as a Christian.

The vast majority of people who seriously admire Putin are on the far-right.

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31 Mar 2018, 2:40 pm

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Wow, it's hard for me to imagine someone on the Right supporting his style of government, because most people I know on the Right, support LESS government interference.

That's because you are american and your right wing consists mostly of confused liberals

WHAT?

American right wingers are liberal? What is conservative to you?

We have another /pol/lack here don't we? *groan*

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31 Mar 2018, 2:44 pm

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Since when was unjust wars not part of "western principles"?
Heck Putins wars are more justifiable then what NATO has been doing since it's foundation.

Okay ... Lovecraft is one of those anti-war paleocons. That's ... okay ... I guess.

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31 Mar 2018, 3:01 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Lovecraft wrote:

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Wow, it's hard for me to imagine someone on the Right supporting his style of government, because most people I know on the Right, support LESS government interference.

That's because you are american and your right wing consists mostly of confused liberals

WHAT?

American right wingers are liberal? What is conservative to you?

We have another /pol/lack here don't we? *groan*

To be fair, since America was founded on Enlightenment era liberal principles the American right does embrace some liberal ideals, at least on an ideological level (if not necessarily in practice). The nationalist/reactionary far-right in Europe doesn't seem to bring up personal liberty and individual rights in the same way the American far-right does.

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01 Apr 2018, 6:01 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Lovecraft wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Wow, it's hard for me to imagine someone on the Right supporting his style of government, because most people I know on the Right, support LESS government interference.

That's because you are american and your right wing consists mostly of confused liberals

WHAT?

American right wingers are liberal? What is conservative to you?

We have another /pol/lack here don't we? *groan*

What? Most of /pol/ are just libertarians (aka classical liberals) that happens to hate black people.
And the American "conservatives" are pretty much just classical liberals that happens to dislike fags (many of them don't even do that any more it seems).
Teleport them back 60-70 years and they would sound just like the liberals used to sound back then.

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01 Apr 2018, 6:06 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

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Since when was unjust wars not part of "western principles"?
Heck Putins wars are more justifiable then what NATO has been doing since it's foundation.

Okay ... Lovecraft is one of those anti-war paleocons. That's ... okay ... I guess.

I prefer to be called paternalistic conservative could also call me a fascist but it wouldn't be 100% correct

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01 Apr 2018, 6:19 am

Lovecraft wrote:

... well ... perhaps in terms of domestic social issues.

I doubt that old fashioned American liberals would support the military-industrial complex or the modern corporate welfare state.

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01 Apr 2018, 6:22 am

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I prefer to be called paternalistic conservative could also call me a fascist but it wouldn't be 100% correct

Quite a few right-wingers nowadays are like this. You're just more honest.

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