(Canadian political discussion) Is Canada getting worse?

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27 Mar 2018, 6:50 pm

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Here we are in 2018 and I have never felt more unsafe to walk the streets. I have never seen more homeless people and such a rise in criminality fuelled by rising poverty and the addiction epidemic. The Canadian government has out right admitted the legal system is underfunded and people on probation are not even being followed up on because the funds just aren't there. We have sex offenders left to their own devices.

The wages are dropping, elementary schools are poorly funded especially out west even. Social programs are dropping out of existence, government agencies like the Children's aid are also so badly funded and dealing with a shortage of foster parents children are kept in motels with a ''worker'' to check up on them every few house. Infant mortality has increased. In Ontario OHIP is badly burdened, a wait in the E.R is now 12-15 hours. Surgery wait times for life threatening conditions stretched out months. My Mother waited three months for lung cancer surgery last year (non-smoker) and in that time the tumour had grown from a 1A class to a 1B class (which is almost stage 2).

There has been so many problems integrating refugees that the media also like to ''hide'' or absolutely refuses to report on.

There are so many problems. So many issues. I can't see a positive future for this country.

Wow, this sounds just like Australia!

People in other nations seem to have this strange, rosy view of life "down under", but I can tell you as someone who lives here that what you have outlined above is very similar to how things are at this moment in time, and if current trends continue we will very soon become a Third World banana republic. There is poverty almost everywhere, but our politicians and media constantly deny and lie about it. If you ever go to Melbourne by train, be very careful when you get off, because there's a good chance you will trip over a homeless beggar. They are everywhere in the C.B.D.

I know. Our countries are very similar in many ways. The world tends to have a rosy view of where we live but we both know it's not how it used to be.

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27 Mar 2018, 10:18 pm

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I know. Our countries are very similar in many ways. The world tends to have a rosy view of where we live but we both know it's not how it used to be.

I agree it has been better here in Australia, but I still think it is one of the best places to live...

Keep in mind that Lintar lives in what I would call the criminal capital of Australia, and that may give him a more pessimistic outlook......

I would also like to remind him that before the Labor Party got in, there was a 20 Billion surplus which was squandered on "pink batts" and palatial school halls, TV cash hand-outs, etc. during the GFC...which greatly contributed towards the huge deficit...
Less money around for welfare as a result...

The Labor Party is not known for its economic acuity/acumen...

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27 Mar 2018, 10:31 pm

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Keep in mind that Lintar lives in what I would call the criminal capital of Australia, and that may give him a more pessimistic outlook......

No I don't. I live near Creswick in central Victoria, far from that cesspit hellhole that is Melbourne.

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I would also like to remind him that before the Labor Party got in, there was a 20 Billion surplus which was squandered on "pink batts" and palatial school halls, TV cash hand-outs, etc. during the GFC...which greatly contributed towards the huge deficit...
Less money around for welfare as a result...

The Labor Party is not known for its economic acuity/acumen...

I don't support the so-called Labour Party. They don't represent the working class anymore, and haven't since the early 80's.

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27 Mar 2018, 10:44 pm

dumb question from a yank but I hope y'all will indulge me- do you have in Aus/Canada/NZ/England, the same kinds of routine police brutality that we have here?

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27 Mar 2018, 10:55 pm

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dumb question from a yank but I hope y'all will indulge me- do you have in Aus/Canada/NZ/England, the same kinds of routine police brutality that we have here?

Not at all. I recall it having been said (unfortunately, I cannot recall where and when) that the Victoria Police are among the best, if not THE best, in the world when it comes to professionalism, lack of corruption, training and so on. It doesn't often happen that an innocent person is shot by them, for no good reason. Brutality is unheard of.

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27 Mar 2018, 10:57 pm

Lintar wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

dumb question from a yank but I hope y'all will indulge me- do you have in Aus/Canada/NZ/England, the same kinds of routine police brutality that we have here?

thank you

I DO WISH amuuurica would learn to be civilized.

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27 Mar 2018, 11:35 pm

Lintar wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Keep in mind that Lintar lives in what I would call the criminal capital of Australia, and that may give him a more pessimistic outlook......

No I don't. I live near Creswick in central Victoria, far from that cesspit hellhole that is Melbourne.

I stand corrected...

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I don't support the so-called Labour Party. They don't represent the working class anymore, and haven't since the early 80's.

Agreed...
The labor Party is full of academics these days and I don't think they have a great deal of empathy for the "common" people...

Don't start me on the Greens... :mrgreen:

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27 Mar 2018, 11:46 pm

auntblabby wrote:

dumb question from a yank but I hope y'all will indulge me- do you have in Aus/Canada/NZ/England, the same kinds of routine police brutality that we have here?

There have been a lot of mistakes a few years ago when a series of people with mental illness were shot dead in Victoria...
I haven't seen much of that these days...
The last time that happened recently I think that was in Sydney...

Northern Territory has some issues, but the social context is difficult...

Overall, the police are very decent over here, imo...

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28 Mar 2018, 12:04 am

Pepe wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

dumb question from a yank but I hope y'all will indulge me- do you have in Aus/Canada/NZ/England, the same kinds of routine police brutality that we have here?

There have been a lot of mistakes a few years ago when a series of people with mental illness were shot dead in Victoria...I haven't seen much of that these days...The last time that happened recently I think that was in Sydney...Northern Territory has some issues, but the social context is difficult...Overall, the police are very decent over here, imo...

is it very hard to prosecute bad cops or hold them accountable somehow, over down under?

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28 Mar 2018, 1:25 am

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is it very hard to prosecute bad cops or hold them accountable somehow, over down under?

I don't think so... :shrug:

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28 Mar 2018, 1:41 am

auntblabby wrote:

dumb question from a yank but I hope y'all will indulge me- do you have in Aus/Canada/NZ/England, the same kinds of routine police brutality that we have here?

Fewer shootings, and less common overall, but police brutality isn't unheard of here in Ontario. Both the OPP and local municipal police have issues with use of force, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be quite an endemic as in some regions of the US and the officers are more likely to be held responsible for their actions.

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28 Mar 2018, 1:42 am

in my state at least, until recently [govnor just signed a bill into law that changes this a bit] it was basically impossible to charge a cop with any kinda crime in the commission of his job, no matter what he did.

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28 Mar 2018, 1:44 am

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And they wonder why eventually some people start to return fire. When the legal system will offer no justice, vigilante justice is all that remains.

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28 Mar 2018, 1:46 am

or as they say down here, "no justice, no peace!"

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28 Mar 2018, 3:03 am

funeralxempire wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

And they wonder why eventually some people start to return fire. When the legal system will offer no justice, vigilante justice is all that remains.

Geez, now I'm actually starting to get why Americans like to own guns and believe in them as a valid self-defense tool.

In any case, the pipeline situation up here in Canada makes me feel less national pride and more BC pride. I've always felt more in common with Washington and the US states along the west coast, both culturally and politically, and now I'm definitely feeling it moreso. Maybe what I'm seeing is just the inevitable drawback of living in a large country with a centralized government. My province is actually bigger than some countries, lol. Also, we have mountains separating us from the rest of the country, and it's actually easier and quicker to get to Washington from here than Alberta.

I know the US has similar problems associated with being a large country that have manifested in a broken, undemocratic electoral system and a conservative fruitcake in charge (as opposed to a liberal one like we have). I guess I identify more with the rest of Canada than with the South and East US, but there are times when I wish our province and the three states south of us could cecede and form a new nation. Pity that's a very remote possibility. Screw Alberta at least. As it stands, I guess we're stuck living in the countries we're in, and I guess I'm glad I live in an affluent Western nation, and not the one where guns are legal.

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28 Mar 2018, 3:09 am

there are a lot of Washingtonians who want Cascadia [an amalgamation of California, Oregon, western Washington and BC] to happen.

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