Is the March For Our Lives movement unstoppable?

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CDC and Harvard staudies both showed gun control has no effect.
Anti gun politicians admit their bills wouldn’t stop a single mass shooting.
So deaths ok as long as it’s not by gun?
Other countries have worse mass shootings then us.

Sorry most anti gun people are super ignorant on guns, gun laws and crime stats.

Why do your side want people burn their hands to hold a rifle?
Do you have any none biased nor posted or done by a anti gun group argument to why banning all guns would stop mass shootings ?
Quiet a lot of mass shootings happen under the asault weapon ban. Most were done with handguns, Virginia tech was done with handguns and 10 rounds mags. Parkland was done with 10 round mags your side claims would have stopped it.
Background checks? Most the shooters passed them, those who didn’t stole them from people who passed them.
None of the proposed laws would stop anything and would only limit and infringe on innocent people’s rights as well as make tens of millions of people felons. How’s that helping?

Solutions. Fix society, stop talking about the shooters(never mention them, their family, or anyone who knew them, pretend they never existed. They do it for fame and try t kill more then the last one to be more famous, so stop giving them the freaking fame) people are too desensitized, how about studies to find out why? Why don’t most people see others as humans anymore, why don’t people give a flying freak about anyone but themselves anymore. How about bullying? Most the survivors said they knew it was him, he was strange they said, they picked on him they said, great laughs had, until he pushed too far and wants to kill them.
Doesn’t excuse it by the way, but I was bullied from grade 5 to 12, if I reported I either got in trouble or ignored. They got away free, no one not s single other kid ever did anything to stop them or say it was wrong. Thank god I didn’t grow up in the tech age where other kids will mock you as your being bullied and film it to up load to YouTube so now you’re bullied by strangers all over the world. Then there’s cyber bullying. More people probably kill themselves from bullying every year then die from school shootings, where’s their walk for life? Where’s their movement ? Nah it’s fine bullying is normal and ok. Strange kids and people deserve to be cut off from society and picked on. Gosh forbid instead you try to befriend them and help them, heck no.

Then there’s our gangs which other nations don’t have, our mixed society made from many cultures and people, thst other nations don’t have. Go to other nations they mostly one group. Japan’s is mostly Japanese, they don’t have 50 subgroups.
But all besides the point go compare us pre gun ban to us post gun ban.
Do same for all those nations. They didn’t have many mass shootings to begin with so no duh they don’t have many after, it didn’t do anything to stop their mass shootings. They still have mass death situations too, their crime rate went up not down. Their murder rate either increased or stayed the same, so the same amount of people died still just not by guns big wup, you going go tell their families it’s ok they didn’t die from a gun so their death is ok, don’t think so.
So let’s not pretend if we banned guns tomorrow and next week a school get blown up killing thousands or some kid runs over and kills 70 kids with a truck, or so,s kid stabs 15 kids to death in a class room that you be like well thank god it wasn’t angun and carry on. Death is death. So you get rid of gun deaths and increase other deaths, people still die at the same rats, what difference have you made? You didn’t save any lives. But you’ve stripped 100 million people of their rights, and probably increased deaths because about 3,000,000 people according to the cdc defend themselves or others with guns every year, how many people will die now cause they don’t have a gun! 3 millions? But what if it’s a family that was defended so 5 x 3million. Is it worth it? Not t mention the blood shed thst comes from trying to take the guns. So 30-70millions gun owners dead and countless millions police and soldiers(many of whom fought to keep their own guns) so based off Europe yiu won’t save any lives murder and crime rates will be the same it tens of millions would have died the country will be in chaos for who knows how many years. All for you feelings. Cause that’s what it comes down to your side knows it won’t do anything besides make you feel better until the next shooting and you’re demand more. Uk tries to ban knifes.
So no thanks I’ll keep my guns.
And last I checked you live in Canada so it’s non of your business and you won’t have to deal with the consequences. Even your own people refused to register and turn in their guns too by the way.

Well, in this age of readily-available information, instant communications, and methods of raising money previously unheard of, you would have to be "naive" to think this couldn't happen.



What on Earth are "Nazi like hand gestures"? The stiff-armed salute? Carrying on like Hitler during one of his speeches, with fists flying?



Comparing the level of "persecution" experienced by gun owners to what happened to the Jews back in the 30's and 40's is beyond stupid. It's positively offensive (and I'm not the type who is easily offended).



Ah, stop feeling sorry for yourself!

Maybe he means something like this?

The tl;dr version of your post seems to be 'America is a lost cause and will always have far more gun violence than the developed world'. I'm glad not everyone is so pessimistic.

Support for gun control exists on a spectrum, personally I don't feel the long gun registry was likely to make a significant reduction in gun crime here, current laws are adequate or possibly more restrictive than I'd prefer. You don't need to support an absolute lack of regulations on firearms sales and ownership to support a general idea that private ownership is acceptable; you don't need to utterly oppose all private ownership of firearms to believe that some degree of regulation is reasonable. Trying to create that false dichotomy to argue hysterically against strawmen isn't constructive.

What similar nation to the US (in terms of development, standard of living, etc) has mass shootings as often as America? (when controlling for population size, Canada for example would need to have one every 9-10 days to match the US having 1 a day).

Further, mass shootings aren't the only issue. While all societies have violent crime, and certainly some amount of violent crime would occur with other weapons (or no weapons), guns (and especially self-loading carbines with high capacity, detachable box magazines) greatly increase one's ability to kill or grievously wound many people in a very short time. Less efficient, less detached methods of harming others make it harder to cause harm in a short period of time - this is bound to impact both impulsive violence and premeditated violence, both when it's directed at others as well as when directed at one's self.

Society has an interest in regulating these in the same way it does when it comes to explosives, short-barrelled rifles and shotguns, large bore rifles, etc. In fact one could reasonably argue it makes more sense to regulate self-loading carbines and rifles than it does to regulate very large bore manually cycled or single shot rifles.

Further, restrictions currently exist on both firearms and other categories of weapons as well, so clearly there is a well-established precedent that restrictions on weapons are in keeping with the US Constitution.

I'd agree (with your rather non-specific 'fix society' suggestion) that gun control isn't the only part of the solution, especially as there would still be half of the world's privately owned guns available to purchase used. That said, it's almost certainly a part of the solution. Personally I feel the 1994 law sometimes had too much focus on cosmetic features (bayonet lugs, flash suppressors) but overall provides a good model that might actually be workable in the US. I think the UK, Australia and Japan go overboard in some regards.

Responding to the title alone, I'd say "don't hold your breath". At the ancient age of 30, I am old enough to remember the 99% marches. They accomplished precisely sod all, despite all the media coverage.

America's in love with guns, violence, and gun violence.

Nothing these kids do will accomplish f_ck-all.

Our freedom includes to bear arms is what makes American great so no I don’t consider it a lost cause. We need to fix our society , it’ll be hard but so what.

See here we go got side acts like there not a single gun regulation, law or restriction as is , that’s complete fallacy. We already have too many restrictions, especially in states like California and New York. We passed middle ground back in the 1960s

Many anti gun people want all guns banned that’s their end goal. What’s the current mouthpiece say” if they give us an inch we’ll take a mile” when asked many say they want all guns banned but realize it has to be done slowly in small steps.

I oppose any law that’s horrible and won’t do anything to stop mass shootings. Especially when the person pushing it admits it won’t do anything. It’s all political points to them and another step towards their dreams of total gun ban. That’s all nothing more. All their bills as writing are horrible and terrible attacks on gun owners. But why read he law just push it without knowing anything about what it does <—- gun control supporter logic

The USA doesn’t have a msss shooting every day stop shouting that lie. It’s been disproven over and over. A mass shooting is when 4 or more people are killed in a single incident. Not including the shooter.

Not anymore then a pistol does, so you support banning handguns then?
Mean you want to ban all modern hunting and sporting rifles. Handguns are responsible for about 80% of all gun deaths and most mass shooting deaths.
Oh but wait the Supreme Court ruled handguns are protected so you can’t go after them yet so attack rifles now. Call them assault rifles even though they aren’t so you scare people into a panic vote they later regret

Bombs can kill thousands in a second. That less harmful?

Why doesn’t Canada regulate short barrels rifles? Last I checked society was everyone not just anti gun people and the USA is a republic designed to protect minorities from Mom rule.

First I and many oppose those unlawful restrictions. And that’s the slippery slope when will you stop? If you can restrict simi auto guns next your say that sets the precedent for regulating revolvers and level actions which can fire faster then a bolt then it’ll be bolt guns since they fire faster then a single shot. We’ve gon to fat and regulated too much. Not a single machine gun has ever been used in a crime so why in 1986 did they break their previous agreement and ban any new ones from being made? We agreed to register and regulate them only to later be stabbed in the back. Now we can’t buy anymore unless your rich. So no we don’t trust gun control people especially when they openly say this is just the first step to banning all guns.

I’m the laws proposal require guns be turned in or confiscated. They make you a felon for owning them or their magazines. So no available for used, mind you the USA will be in a civil war at that point we’ll really more of a state of open rebellion, cleansing the tree of liberty and all that such.

We already have load and loads of gun control which hasn’t worked so the solution for failed laws is more failed laws which when fail will be more failed laws and when all guns are banned and mass shootings still happen then what? They can’t blam gun laws anymore so then what? All this is is a blame game to avoid the real issues and get reelected so they can keep getting bribed from companies.

So you think banning 90% of guns and requiring them to be turned in without compensation is a good model ? That’s make our laws more restrictive then Canada’s and start a civil war, sorry most gun owners won’t turn in their guns.
Every state that’s passed it 1/2 of those who own them didn’t turn them in. So 50 million armed people become felons over night, sounds great.

How you’re side could take your foot out of your butt and actually try to talk and deal with us on other stuff but no just call us child murders and demand we become felons cause you all don’t know anything about guns.

There other things we could do that we might find middle ground on, gun owners will not support banning 90% of guns and requiring use to turn them in. ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN!! !!

They don’t even know why they marching or what they want. None of them know anything about or existing laws. They pushing for stuff that’s alrr illegal to be banned or to bannstuff they say they don’t want banned. It’s the single most uninformed protest every. Protests use to stand for good things and well informed . How fare we’ve fallen.

Also none of the wealthy celebrities pushing for gun control will give up their armed security with machine guns. Guns make them feel safer but they wish to deny us such security.

My life is worth just as much as brad Pitt’s

Yup, protests and marches for civil rights and for disabled rights and gay rights never changed anything.

A true student of history, right here.

I've seen his post history. He seems to think that all social change is pointless ... except immigration restriction for some reason.

You almost make it sound like a bad thing.

I've never in my life advocated for confiscation of firearms, but feel free to continue arguing against strawmen.

How sure are you that it was the protests that actually changed policy? There is always a lot more going on behind the scenes than "people take to the streets and politicians listen". Protests are nothing more than a piss in the ocean compared to the media machine and the commentariat, which holds enormous power - though not quite as much power as the lobbyists exercise. Protesting is to politics as prayer is to medicine.

I'm in favour of social change. You think I like the way things are? We are just headed in different directions.

In the past, I spoke in favor of campaign finance reform. You implied that I was just as delusional as a utopian social anarchist.

Reality Check: Campaign finance reform is possible because word of the American Anti-Corruption Act is spreading via the internet. You cannot make social change unless you realize that technological growth is the engine which drives social change.

You can't just say "That didn't work in the past so it will never work." or "It worked in the past so it will work again."

For example, an ancient-style slave society could never exist in the modern world because too many people are literate. Whenever most people are literate, subversive ideas can spread like wildfire with the help of pamphlets. Thus, every modern government needs to be kinder than the Roman Empire was. If the Roman Empire was re-established in the modern world, there would be a revolution and the empire would collapse swiftly.

That brings me to you and your support of immigration restriction. Nowadays, anyone can do online research and realize that most people all around the world live in modern-style cities. We can easily learn about the whole world and realize that we're all just human. Furthermore, it's easier to travel around the world nowadays with the help of modern technology.

North Korea only succeeds at being isolationist because the internet is censored there ... and several clever North Koreans are finding ways around this censorship. The country has been hanging by a thread for quite some time now. We will probably live to see the Korean reunification.

Nationalistic isolationism is on the verge of extinction. Donald Trump isn't really bringing it back. He's only pretending to. That's why his "Muslim travel ban" doesn't apply to Saudi Arabia. That's why he still hasn't built the Great Wall of America. He secretly knows that nationalism, paleoconservatism, and isolationism are on the verge of extinction.

Nationalism is dying at the hands of modern technology and some people are scrambling to prevent this.

Instead, we should look on the bright side and realize that the same info tech which is killing nationalism is also taking old progressive pipe dreams and bringing them into the realm of possibility.

Campaign finance reform is becoming more and more possible every day. We will likely live to see the end of American plutocracy. If info tech continues to advance over the next few centuries, utopian socialism may even become possible ... though we probably won't live to see that.

It’s far from certain that we can’t go back to a society in which most people are kept illiterate. Just a-sayin’.