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03 Apr 2018, 2:07 am

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Bullying is the evidence, children bully each other not because propaganda but because as primates it is in the nature to form a hierarchy.

No. That sort of bullying is a hormonal thing that kids grow out of.

I was bullied in school. I suffered from PTSD for years afterwards. Did I give up on humanity? No. I didn't give up on humanity because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in the basement like a useless loser. I overcame my fears. I finished university. Now I will get a job soon.

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I spend very little time with other people.

Given your post history, I'm not surprised.
Perhaps you should go outside some time.

By the way, how can you be a loner and a good capitalist at the same time? Capitalism is a highly social activity. That's why most business leaders are either neurotypicals or manipulative psychopaths.

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I do not defend the economic "1%" I defend freedom and capitalism. How is blaming the "1%" any different than blaming the Jews?

Many Jews are in the working class. That's why.

Bullying happens at all stages of life, my mother bullied me relentlessly during my teen years.

I am a capitalism because it is objectively the best system. The best countries are the ones who have embraced liberty the most.

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03 Apr 2018, 2:23 am

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

Bill Gates is the exception, not the rule. He seems like a rather decent guy, just as Cyrus the Great was fairly nice for a dictator.

Most billionaires are worse than Gates. For example, the Republican Party frequently accepts donations from rich a**holes like the Koch brothers, ExxonMobil and Lockheed Martin.

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03 Apr 2018, 2:29 am

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Bullying happens at all stages of life, my mother bullied me relentlessly during my teen years.

Really? Was she really bullying you or was she trying to get your ass out of the basement?

I used to think that my mom was bullying me. Now I know the truth. She was helping me. She didn't want me to be a lazy sack of s**t.

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I am a capitalism because it is objectively the best system. The best countries are the ones who have embraced liberty the most.

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03 Apr 2018, 3:01 am

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

There is one way to stop that get rid of citizenship based taxation. Most other countries tax citizens based on where they make their money and where they live. If they could just leave the country they wouldn't have to bribe the government.

Those are just a few people, 1% of Americans is over 3 million people how are they the authors of societies problems?

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03 Apr 2018, 3:03 am

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Bullying happens at all stages of life, my mother bullied me relentlessly during my teen years.

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I am a capitalism because it is objectively the best system. The best countries are the ones who have embraced liberty the most.

She was getting drunk and physically attacking me yes she was bullying me.

So there are no homeless people in socialist countries? There is far more help for the homeless in capitalist countries.

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03 Apr 2018, 1:54 pm

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

That would be an exceptional argument if the 1% consisted of just Bill Gates. But it doesn't. There are far more like the Koch brothers (not including the gay Koch brother involved in the arts) who pour money into elections to change the economic landscape in order for themselves and their class to benefit at the rest of our expense.

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03 Apr 2018, 1:58 pm

Sounds like you equate "liberty" with "crime". Lol!

Democracy is two responsible parents worried about their kids, and one professional crack dealer with out kids. And the two parents voting to make crack selling to be illegal.

Liberty is a well armed crack dealer "contesting the vote", and being allowed to keep on selling to crack to kids.

Kraishgauer is right that democracy includes respect for the minority along with giving power to the majority.
That's how the Founding Fathers set up the constitution. The Founding Fathers also put the second amendment (gun rights)in (whether it was better or worse). But not because they expected the losers in every election, to take up arms every time their guy lost, or their referendum lost. They expected the majority to take up arms against a despotic government. Not for the minority to start threatening to extort from the winning majority in every election. That would just undermine the rule of law entirely.

So your definition of "liberty" is bogus nonsense.

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03 Apr 2018, 2:05 pm

Interesting theory, but I find it ridiculous.

A well armed anyone contesting the vote with violence or intimidation sounds more like authoritarianism or something along the lines of an attempted rebellion depending on the circumstances surrounding it.

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03 Apr 2018, 2:10 pm

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This idea that "the 1%" cause all the problems is silly. Its not the fault of high earners that people choose to have children they cannot afford, its not their fault that these people fail to raise their children correctly either.

They don't cause all the problems, but yes a society in which a very small percentage of the population controls most of the wealth in the country it becomes problematic as it increases poverty and also causes dis-balances of power. If you think the sole cause of poverty is 'people having kids they can't afford and parents failing to raise their children correctly then you're just as ignorant as anyone who blames all the problems solely on the 1%.

Also though a lot of people have kids when they are in a position to afford it, and then things decline. And what would you say is the cut off for being unable to afford kids, like how much should people be making to be allowed to have kids? Of course it is easy to blame the poor for being poor...but we're at a point where people working full time jobs aren't making a living wage while CEOs of companies employing these people just get richer and richer. And you want to tell me the problem is simply lower income and poor people having kids?

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03 Apr 2018, 2:23 pm

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Our constitution in fact ensures that the dictatorship of the majority doesn't quash dissenting minority voices. True, it hasn't always worked, but putting it into practice is a continuing process.

Yeah that is true here in the UK we don't have a constitution so our politicians can do want they want basically. They have taken away our rights to free speech, changed the demographics of our nation without consulting the public and taken away our privacy. We are ran by a political monopoly of two parties who mostly come from connected wealthy backgrounds.

So would you say maybe some of these 'wealthy' have a little bit too much sway in your government? Or if poor people stopped having kids would that fix it?

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03 Apr 2018, 5:42 pm

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

Don’t forget Bloomberg and soros.

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03 Apr 2018, 5:55 pm

Daniel89 wrote:

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

Speaking as an American about the American system:

There's nothing wrong with being wealthy or part of the 1%, the problem is that that 1% are growing wealth at a far faster rate than the bottom 99%. Wealth equals power, what that means is that they're growing more and more power and you and I are getting less and less power. That's the problem because eventually that power dynamic will create an oligarchy (one could claim we're already there seeing as how 70% of political contributions come from that class). Most oligarchies are short lived and tend to leave their nations in shambles (all while the oligarchy members move to another nation with their wealth intact). Read up on ancient Corinth for more information on how an oligarchy operates-- it's a political virus.

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03 Apr 2018, 7:32 pm

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

Don’t forget Bloomberg and soros.

If I recall correctly, Bloomberg is a Republican posing as a Democrat - the mirror image of Trump.
As for Soros - - I believe he's done nothing but champion liberal causes, such as defending the voiceless who would otherwise go unheard, rather than rolling over the said voiceless as the Kochs have done. The George Soros the right constantly screams about is a bogeyman of their own invention. You'd think Soros was really Ernst Stavro Blofeld, petting his furry white cat as he plots world domination from listening to Fox and Breitbart.

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03 Apr 2018, 7:33 pm

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I suppose because attacks on Jews is based on Anti Semitic hysteria, whereas the 1% are indeed the authors of our pain.

How so? And which one percent? The global one percent of earners who earn over $35k? Or the US one where they earn $500K? How is Bill Gates the author of your pain?

Don’t forget Bloomberg and soros.

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04 Apr 2018, 12:39 am

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I don't think people having children they cannot afford causes all poverty just the majority of it. How exactly does one person having more money than another cause poverty?

At the end of the day it is the parents decision to have children and their responsibility to take care of them not someone else's simply because they are rich.

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04 Apr 2018, 12:42 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

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Our constitution in fact ensures that the dictatorship of the majority doesn't quash dissenting minority voices. True, it hasn't always worked, but putting it into practice is a continuing process.

So would you say maybe some of these 'wealthy' have a little bit too much sway in your government? Or if poor people stopped having kids would that fix it?

The upper classes do have far too much sway in our political system however we do not have poverty in the UK and the upper classes support breeding an underclass dependant upon government because it allows them to expand the power of government thus increasing their power.

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