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See I think the issue is most of us in the USA who get benefits are seen as bludgers by anyone not on benefits. We are constantly told we are theifs who steal their money via taxes and should just die if we can’t work enough to provide for ourselves, it’s Darwinism they say survival of the fittest let the weak die. So when we see people like you talk about it it’s a lot like what those people say about us. Do middle class in nz not despise anyone on benefits?

Others here from middle class say it too and say we faking it and should just man up and work full time. Not you but few here. If I worked full time I’d end up homeless even if it didn’t make me have a mental break down.more I make the less I have. We get housing assistance, electric assistance and when I make more they give less but they give less then I make. They raised our rent $50 more but I work 5 less hours a week, so now we have to fight them on it. If I worked full time we’d lose all the assistance and my family can’t pay more(moms on benifits and sisters her care giver) so I’d have to pay 900 of the 1200 rent, as well as what ever asssistance used to cover. Conservatives here set it up to punish people on benifits for trying to get ahead in life. Creating benefits traps then they complain people never get off it. I can’t work full time, but if I was to find a job I could handle full time I couldn’t take it as it’d make me and my family homeless. As is I had to limit myself to 15 hours a week 1. To be safe as not to trip losing benifits cause 2. Onths a year I get paid 3 times and 2 cause it was getting rough. I’m hoping to take two weeks off and see if that helps as I think abiut quiting a lot. Side not it’s gotten worse at work a lot of th nts have quite already, so I’m hanging on with my condition while nts have said enough is enough, others are talking about quitting too.
But I hate myself, I wish I was normal. Or just never been born.
But that’s why we sensitive to your posts if that helps. We get bashed a lot here in the USA. I know Austrian pays people on benefits a living amount $2500, we get a measly $750 and it’s been that for 20ish years as they rigged it so it doesn’t go up with cost of living and they still complain about us even after their politicians robbed social security of its money to use in the general fund, now they say they going cut it by up to half. So in few years I may only get $400isu and I make too much to get food stamps. I’ve started using my savings on food. But now I have to cover extra $50 a month for rent.
But according to middle class I’m living it up eating $50 steaks every night and driving my Porsche around

Some people despise people on benefits. I don’t. I only dispise a certain type of person on them.

You aren’t that type of person. It’s also more about the essence of them than the fact they’re on a benefit. Some of these people have jobs and are still scumbags.

It’s always bogans versus snobs. They each give you a reason to hate the other.

I find most bogans rude and they’ve treated me horribly, stolen from me and abused me for example. The stereotype of avoiding them I need to help protect myself.

To answer your question, yes, in general the upper (super snobs), middle (snobs) and lower classes (bogans) really don’t like each other in this country.

For me, I’m anti scumbags. They appear in all three classes. I seem to be targeted by the lower class ones for abuse and hatred which causes me to think the way I do. The fact I am middle class is not an excuse to steal from me when I worked hard for what I have or spit in my bedroom. Being treated like s**t for no reason other than jealousy is revolting.

You’re not a scumbag, sly. I doubt most people here are.

Ah but I’m a worthless pile of trash scumbag thief sexist racist add whatever else horrible thing i am

I'm in a position where I realize, if my parent's didn't have my back, I'd be screwed and I probably would be living on benefits.

The squirly thing about it - I got highest honors on my BBA in accounting, had a nightmare of an internship with zero training being asked to do things I hadn't done in college (their best advice - read from a whole wall of books, which I would have been fired for anyway if it took me that long to learn), I then worked for an accounts payable auditing company that was suppose to pay somewhere between 35-40k per year + another 50% in bonus, hardly ever a bonus and closer to 30. After six or seven years of that (into my early thirties at that point) they were not only doing a terrible job of getting us assignments (we were prohibited to get involved with sales) but they decided to try putting us on performance probation for not having any work from the central office. I then went to a business professional temp agecy, spent five years getting bounced around and hearing how much people loved my work but couldn't hire me because HR, blah blah blah.

So closing in on 40 I'm finally doing something professional weight with C#/ASP.Net Core/Javascript/Angular, making something pretty close to what I made right out of college, working now close to 70-80 hours a week (salary), not because I'm stupid but I have a particular assignment where if I don't land it my future is truly toast. I drive an hour to work each day, and, I make enough to live at home with my parents! I have to tell myself that I'm sacrificing my present for the value of the job skills - and that may very well be true, but I try to imagine what it would be like if I had to pay a car loan, rent somewhere, etc. and it gets really clear, I wouldn't be here and I'd have no such opportunity if I didn't have living at home as an option.

Niall Ferguson was on Rubin Report a week or so ago and he said something very interesting about competency, ie. that when he was younger he thought competency and talent could get people to the spots they deserve and he realized later that that's not it at all - ie. that there are patronage networks in a lot of areas and if you're outside of them you'll have a hell of a time, and a lot of extra dues to pay, to get in.

When I think of it my dad's job with the government was marginally in the professional class, my mom was a secretary/office assistant at several different places, they were both retired well before I was in a spot to actually try to land my first job, and I think I realized a bit while I was going to school that I had no familial juice behind me, either from my parents or even my extended family. Back when I thought that success or failure in the work or financial world were based on success or failure in self-discipline I hadn't had a real job yet or tried to get a real job yet, let alone realized that if you have a boss who can chain two sentences together and you don't feel like you got pulled into Hunter Thompson's hotel room in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas in your interview - that's probably the upper 1/3 of the opportunities you'll find. The rest is psychosis, chaos, and surviving other people's stupidity by some combination of sheer luck and never saying anything that isn't electronically recorded and retrievable.

They are out there in high quantity though. True it can be tough to tell at a glance without knowing people whether they're sincerely struggling or simply disinterested but there are a lot of entitled brats, at least where I live, whose parents bought them everything and when it comes time for them to do something for themselves they can't/won't do it.

Equally there are a lot of people who do the absolute minimum at jobs, show up for a paycheck, and make everything difficult for people who want to get things done or want to learn to get things done but have to swim through a sea of knowledge keep-away games to do so. It's another reason I sort of want to see UBI, both to lighten the load on those struggling but also to maybe get more people out of the work world who don't want to be there and who accordingly make it worse for everyone else.