Can Brits comment on 'breaching the peace' outside of trials

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28 May 2018, 10:09 am

That would be bad for Britain in obvious ways.


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28 May 2018, 5:02 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
TBH, on the side of trying to get the British government to acknowledge certain problems, I like the guy.

What?!

Tommy Robinson is the problem. He's a horrible racist who has dedicated his life to spreading hateful misinformation about Muslims and Islam. He tried to justify the Finsbury Park attacks on the grounds that he thought that mosque had produced terrorists in the past. He's not someone that a reasonable, credible person should even be entertaining. Sure, he's not literally the worst person (he occasionally apologises for going too far), but he's still a racist thug. It takes an awful lot for Piers Morgan to consider someone far-right.

Stop getting your information about Britain from people who have never heard of the Prevent strategy.



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28 May 2018, 5:08 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
TBH, on the side of trying to get the British government to acknowledge certain problems, I like the guy.

What?!

Tommy Robinson is the problem. He's a horrible racist who has dedicated his life to spreading hateful misinformation about Muslims and Islam. He tried to justify the Finsbury Park attacks on the grounds that he thought that mosque had produced terrorists in the past. He's not someone that a reasonable, credible person should even be entertaining. Sure, he's not literally the worst person (he occasionally apologises for going too far), but he's still a racist thug. It takes an awful lot for Piers Morgan to consider someone far-right.

Stop getting your information about Britain from people who have never heard of the Prevent strategy.


No he did not try to justify the Finsbury attack, the government did in fact lie and claim he had been in contact with the killer when he hadn't.

He is not racist at all he never talks about race. What misinformation does he spread about Islam or Muslims?



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28 May 2018, 6:37 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
TBH, on the side of trying to get the British government to acknowledge certain problems, I like the guy.

What?!

Tommy Robinson is the problem. He's a horrible racist who has dedicated his life to spreading hateful misinformation about Muslims and Islam.

On a refreshing note at least I've finally brought up a name you've heard of.


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28 May 2018, 6:40 pm

A brief caption on Prevent from the BBC for those not familiar with it:
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40151991


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28 May 2018, 9:25 pm

If racism is against the rules of Wrong Planet, then promoting racists cannot be condoned either, which in some cases (not just this thread) seems to have been done in the hope of circumventing the rule. But racism is racism, whether it's posted in a linked video, or as personal support for members of racist organisations.

Please think carefully before continuing or this thread may have to be locked folks.



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28 May 2018, 10:00 pm

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If racism is against the rules of Wrong Planet, then promoting racists cannot be condoned either, which in some cases (not just this thread) seems to have been done in the hope of circumventing the rule. But racism is racism, whether it's posted in a linked video, or as personal support for members of racist organisations.

Please think carefully before continuing or this thread may have to be locked folks.

B19,

We'd have to unpack the claims that we're talking about a racist. One of the things that makes this interesting is that the independent media right now (including a lot of center-left commentators) would have him look like he's a political martyr for free speech in the UK, which could easily be as flawed an analysis as stating that 'he is the problem' full-stop. Admittedly these are political issues that would be particularly sensitive to UK citizens as it's dealing with their laws, questions of whether the police are being pushed to enforce them in disproportionate manners or manners that are meddling with liberty across the board.

A good question might be, is there a scope we might be able to drill this conversation down to that might be helpful? We could focus on the law surrounding the matter, questions of what actual things he's said that would support the claim that he's doing these things as a racist, or if he might be more of a curse than a blessing to the British public there are probably very good ways for us to analyze as much.

Otherwise I don't think it would be a good idea to lock this thread on support of a racist grounds unless people in this thread start actually supporting racism as such. Also its probably important to mention that Islam is not a race and free speech is not a racist talking point, racists can occasionally misuse both but we should be wary of jumping to linkages on that.


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28 May 2018, 10:08 pm

My comments were not specifically addressed to you TG, sorry if that was the impression.



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28 May 2018, 10:23 pm

:twisted: http://newsthump.com/2018/05/27/if-you- ... nson-told/ <---- satire


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28 May 2018, 11:54 pm

B19 wrote:
My comments were not specifically addressed to you TG, sorry if that was the impression.

I didn't read it that way, but it reminded me that if the news starts pushing closer to the edge in coming years we may need to add more precision to where the lines are with respect to forum rules. Race and anything associated with it tends to be a hot button, and as well it should be but there are also times where things get conflated by the media and deliberately so and its those stories that could get shot down on appearances. That's where I think well-informed moderating may take a lot more work than it has in the past.


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29 May 2018, 4:33 am

B19 wrote:
If racism is against the rules of Wrong Planet, then promoting racists cannot be condoned either, which in some cases (not just this thread) seems to have been done in the hope of circumventing the rule. But racism is racism, whether it's posted in a linked video, or as personal support for members of racist organisations.

Please think carefully before continuing or this thread may have to be locked folks.


Tommy Robinson is not a racist though he supports multiculturalism, has nothing against non whites he is against an ideology not a race.



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29 May 2018, 5:41 am

The government certainly consider him someone who incites racial hatred

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29 May 2018, 5:56 am

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The government certainly consider him someone who incites racial hatred

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Really the government? The government is corrupt, run by the elite for the elite.



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29 May 2018, 7:14 am

Another thing that's hilarious, I already see the alt-right posters on Minds.com uploading videos suggesting that he's Jewish and/or secretly working for the Mossad. The collective IQ at that end of the political curve seems to be in free fall.


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29 May 2018, 7:17 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Another thing that's hilarious, I already see the alt-right posters on Minds.com uploading videos suggesting that he's Jewish and/or secretly working for the Mossad. The collective IQ at that end of the political curve seems to be in free fall.


There are literally people who believe the Rothschild family are worth $500 trillion. The total value of wealth on Earth is $280 trillion.



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29 May 2018, 8:31 am

The wealth accrued by any given family typically runs out by the third generation and even for those who live sharp and responsibly in the second or third generation the remainder of what they have is often humble by comparison.


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