Divided We Fall

Post Reply New Topic

Explain even remotely how 'The Force Awakens' was "SJW."

'The Last Jedi' could be seen as dividing since it laid the blame on older generations, revolved around the military industrial complex, and attacked capitalism.

And being part of a minority does not mean that one cannot be racist, such as when a minority SJW one "pinpoints" a non-minority individual for trolling and harassment.

Minorities can be racist. Similarly to Obama - I come from a mixed family, people who continually say "white devil" scare me.

I've seen white far-righters recently calling out films or video games attacking Nazis or KKK as being "anti-white," to me that is racist against white people since for that be the case all to the majority of white people would need to prescribe to those views which is very far from the case.

If the second was to me, I didn't pinpoint you as trolling or harassment - just naivety.

Last edited by Spooky_Mulder on 14 Jun 2018, 12:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

After 61 years of life -- about half of those years married to a 'minority' immigrant woman, and a good portion of those years stationed in 'minority' countries -- I may have a little more knowledge and experience than you seem to give me credit for.

I ask again, what do you hope to gain by trolling and harassing me?

Seeing as you were the first to reply to me and all I did in turn was replying back - I don't see it as trolling or harassing. If it's because of my bluntness, never really had any control over that - I'm like Alan Turning in 'The Imitation Game' in that sense.

Also knowing you did live abroad, I can see where your views come from:

This may be racist, but I can easily imagine people in China or Africa or South America being as anti-white as many in America are anti non-whites. Similarly to how in America, Christians are safe - but, abroad can still be frighteningly persecuted. Plainly put, it's part of the reason I don't like humans.

Before I respond let me see if you think the only SJW stuff in TLJ was the desecration of old generations and that capitalism casino stuff, because I can see like a lot more.

Last edited by Peacesells on 14 Jun 2018, 1:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I have been rounded up with "the usual suspects" simply because of the conditions of my birth.Do the words "Arrest that little bastard" mean anything to you? The simple fact that my parents weren't married when I was conceived meant that I was automatically suspect whenever an act of theft or vandalism occurred in my neighborhood (this was the 1960s, by the way). The fact that I always acted "nervous and jerky" around authority figures meant that I was detained and questioned the longest, too.Dude, I live near Los Angeles! Those nutjobs are everywhere!Carrying my passed-out buddies out of a club has often earned me that type of treatment.Not since I mistakenly attended the most recent Pride Festival in Los Angeles.All the time; in Little Saigon, Koreatown, and certain areas of Santa Ana and south L.A.Yes. I've travelled through Vietnam. Despite some of the best publicity, there are still places over there that refuse to serve whites, especially white Americans.Does the phrase "Habla español, bastardo!" mean anything to you?My church welcomes everybody, including those in turbans, hijabs, headscarves, and other clothes that represent their own religious or cultural background. We've been picketed, yelled at, cursed at, and threatened with death for NOT treating foreigners as invaders and terrorists.So I have Jewish ancestry; so what? Those skinheads you mentioned made their own trouble, and I had nothing to do with their arrests, incarcerations or injuries. Honest.My parents kicked me out of their home when I was 18. Did I mention that they weren't married when I was conceived? Also, my ex kicked me out of our house shortly after she found out that I wasn't 100 percent WASP.Yes. "Oh, that's just your opinion", they say. "Oh, you're just too sensitive", they say. "Stop making trouble", they say.Does not parse. Please re-state.

Yeah, I may not be black, African, or queerfolk; but I do know what it's like to be shunned, ignored, exploited, beaten, banished, spat on, kicked, cursed, protested against, and generally treated badly -- and all for being (or appearing to be) a wealthy, white, gynotropic, Christian cis-male married to a minority woman in a mixed-race community.

Minorities have no monopoly on victimhood.

Now that this stupid "More Miserable Than Thou" pissing contest is over, can we please get back to the original subject of this thread?

(1) Now that you appear as wealthy, do they still target you?
(2) I would say this is economic marginalization more than due to you being white or straight similar to #1. I'm guessing it's economic since many economically impoverished have similar accounts, though could be wrong. (I'd group economically impoverished in with minorities, though it feels wrong calling them minorities since they're the majority)
(3) I lived in LA too. Those are homeless people holding those signs, typically. I mean do religious institutions and their followers target you - these institutions similarly fund "gay conversion/torture centers"
(4) So, not due to how you were born. This is also why I stressed it could happen, and often does, in broad daylight as well.
(5) I find this hard to follow, elaborate. I blend in as straight and lean straight and have never experienced anything like that. Not saying "fake news," just sounds like there's more to it.
(6) I’ve lived in LA and never saw “no whites allowed” or “no americans allowed” signs… not screaming “fake news,” just never saw it. Races do clash a lot in LA though - akin to as depicted in the film 'Crash.'
(7) Vietnam, yeah – as said, abroad I’d believe
(8) I’m guessing this one took place overseas as well
(9) This one doesn’t surprise me as well - bigots targeting an open-minded place, terrifyingly common
(10) Awesome
(11) Speaking of those kicked out by parents for how one was born (18 is common, "you like girls - get out" "you're a boy, not a boy - get out" isn't). Second is confusing, how did she not know you’re white?
(12) This, all of these, were rhetorical. I meant when a far-righter says “Jews are evil,” someone tells them “no, they’re great people,” and then the far-righter says in reply “back off, it’s just my opinion on the Jews.” Those are the situations I meant. This is increasingly becoming a common defense among the far right.
(13) An example would be a white person seeing a single white person being called out for racism and suddenly thinking the person who called him out is grouping all white people together as racists. Second part, not world – rather country is ran by the “default” (white/straight/cis/Christian) which gives them systematic control.
(14) Everyone knows this, what I am referring to is more institutional or supported by institutions.

Last edited by Spooky_Mulder on 14 Jun 2018, 2:01 pm, edited 6 times in total.

Then, state what they are in 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Jedi' beyond what I just listed without mentioning race or gender.

Maybe you are a SJW to some level and you just see no problem with their ideologies. That's why you cannot see it. It also seems that in your opinion SJWs can do no wrong with policies about gender and race.
I will admit tho that at first I too didn't notice much, except for Vice Admiral Gender Studies. I am kinda slow.

Either an SJW or a sympathizer.

This is clear avoidance. Point out what was "SJW" in 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Jedi' without mentioning race or gender (as it pertains to the identity, not the ideology of the characters). You said it wasn't that the leads were female and black. Ok, so why? It should be easy to answer since you're confident and I'm open to giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just without mentioning race or gender, what were they?

Last edited by Spooky_Mulder on 14 Jun 2018, 2:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The KKK personally scare me as much as the Black Panthers do, I'll leave it at that.

It's not avoidance, I am just a fan of the Socratic method. SJWs mostly whine about gender and race, and yet you want me to criticize them without mentioning it, it's a bit unfair. Yes, I said that it's not because a lead being female or black, but I never said that it has nothing to do with it. Watched a Star Wars fan-film 2 days ago where the lead was a female and I liked it.

Race or gender as it pertains to identity, not ideology. As to say don't simply state the identity of the characters.

'Ghostbusters' would be SJW. Not because the leads were women and not because the genders of the cast were changed. Rather because it was (1) the only male characters were a male as the ditzy secretary and the villain - no strong counter examples or supporting characters given, (2) the villain was defeated literally by attacking his penis.

An ideology can pertain to identity though.

Oh, we agree on something!