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22 Jun 2018, 3:15 am

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I’m an immigrant which makes me - all of us of varying statuses (even those like me, here since soon after birth) - the target of Trump’s regime. Hard to not take that personally; plus, I’m sick of the right wing spin that there was “NO outrage” - the right is currently doing that as primarily a silencing tactic.

Yes, there was no outrage, the media didn't go apeshit like today. It's so preposterous of you to act as if it was the same, f**k it.
Also I doubt anyone from the government will kick you out if you have your papers in order.


The fact that you think that is the only danger that comes from Trump’s demonization of immigrants says a lot. ICE itself doesn’t threaten me, what does - the fuel he’s pumping into his extremists which I have experienced first hand.

Media = centrists or just profit which means towing the line.

Participating in fight for immigration and equal marriage rights taught me who the “mainstream” Democrats truly are. One thing many in the states quickly pick up on - many activists hate the DNC as well as the media that gives power to them. Not as scary as the GOP, but they do keep people asleep often.



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22 Jun 2018, 3:21 am

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Also "the left" was governing, lol. Stop behaving as if everyone knew about it and went apeshit unless they were centrists, while right wingers were all ok with children in cages.
One might think that you are trying to take advantage of it politically, when in actuality most people just didn't know and both parties didn0t give a f**k.


Left - true left. Activist left.

I consider Obama and Democrats to be centrists. They left that activism wing a long time ago.

Right wingers love Trump since they wanted Obama to be more extreme.

I feel that you're being to kind calling them centrists. Also I think that not putting kids into cages shouldn't be associated with a political side, it should be a universal value. Being right winged doesn't mean that you are ok with it, and being against illegal immigration doesn't mean that you are right winged.



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22 Jun 2018, 3:24 am

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I’m an immigrant which makes me - all of us of varying statuses (even those like me, here since soon after birth) - the target of Trump’s regime. Hard to not take that personally; plus, I’m sick of the right wing spin that there was “NO outrage” - the right is currently doing that as primarily a silencing tactic.

Yes, there was no outrage, the media didn't go apeshit like today. It's so preposterous of you to act as if it was the same, f**k it.
Also I doubt anyone from the government will kick you out if you have your papers in order.


The fact that you think that is the only danger that comes from Trump’s demonization of immigrants says a lot. ICE itself doesn’t threaten me, what does - the fuel he’s pumping into his extremists which I have experienced first hand.

Media = centrists or just profit which means towing the line.

Participating in fight for immigration and equal marriage rights taught me who the “mainstream” Democrats truly are. One thing many in the states quickly pick up on - many activists hate the DNC as well as the media that gives power to them. Not as scary as the GOP, but they do keep people asleep often.

Unless they say that legal immigrants should be kicked out or stuff like "die Mexicans" I think that every misbehaviour committed by extremists should be accounted to the same extermists.



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22 Jun 2018, 3:27 am

Peacesells wrote:
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Also "the left" was governing, lol. Stop behaving as if everyone knew about it and went apeshit unless they were centrists, while right wingers were all ok with children in cages.
One might think that you are trying to take advantage of it politically, when in actuality most people just didn't know and both parties didn0t give a f**k.


Left - true left. Activist left.

I consider Obama and Democrats to be centrists. They left that activism wing a long time ago.

Right wingers love Trump since they wanted Obama to be more extreme.

I feel that you're being to kind calling them centrists. Also I think that not putting kids into cages shouldn't be associated with a political side, it should be a universal value. Being right winged doesn't mean that you are ok with it, and being against illegal immigration doesn't mean that you are right winged.


Not all right wing. True. I consider there’s two right wing variants that have been going on for quite some time. The sane right wing and then the far right which has recently managed to take control of the party. I have a name for them that applies to 1940s Germany.



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22 Jun 2018, 3:29 am

Peacesells wrote:
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Peacesells wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
I’m an immigrant which makes me - all of us of varying statuses (even those like me, here since soon after birth) - the target of Trump’s regime. Hard to not take that personally; plus, I’m sick of the right wing spin that there was “NO outrage” - the right is currently doing that as primarily a silencing tactic.

Yes, there was no outrage, the media didn't go apeshit like today. It's so preposterous of you to act as if it was the same, f**k it.
Also I doubt anyone from the government will kick you out if you have your papers in order.


The fact that you think that is the only danger that comes from Trump’s demonization of immigrants says a lot. ICE itself doesn’t threaten me, what does - the fuel he’s pumping into his extremists which I have experienced first hand.

Media = centrists or just profit which means towing the line.

Participating in fight for immigration and equal marriage rights taught me who the “mainstream” Democrats truly are. One thing many in the states quickly pick up on - many activists hate the DNC as well as the media that gives power to them. Not as scary as the GOP, but they do keep people asleep often.

Unless they say that legal immigrants should be kicked out or stuff like "die Mexicans" I think that every misbehaviour committed by extremists should be accounted to the same extermists.


I’ll say they show the second one a lot in ways more intense than just saying it. They have sent many people death threats verbally, via tech, or by swerving at people with their cars. These extremists are scary and they’re dangerous.



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22 Jun 2018, 3:36 am

Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Also "the left" was governing, lol. Stop behaving as if everyone knew about it and went apeshit unless they were centrists, while right wingers were all ok with children in cages.
One might think that you are trying to take advantage of it politically, when in actuality most people just didn't know and both parties didn0t give a f**k.


Left - true left. Activist left.

I consider Obama and Democrats to be centrists. They left that activism wing a long time ago.

Right wingers love Trump since they wanted Obama to be more extreme.

I feel that you're being to kind calling them centrists. Also I think that not putting kids into cages shouldn't be associated with a political side, it should be a universal value. Being right winged doesn't mean that you are ok with it, and being against illegal immigration doesn't mean that you are right winged.


Not all right wing. True. I consider there’s two right wing variants that have been going on for quite some time. The sane right wing and then the far right which has recently managed to take control of the party. I have a name for them that applies to 1940s Germany.

Ah, reductio ad Hitlerum. I love it. :lol:
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Peacesells wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
I’m an immigrant which makes me - all of us of varying statuses (even those like me, here since soon after birth) - the target of Trump’s regime. Hard to not take that personally; plus, I’m sick of the right wing spin that there was “NO outrage” - the right is currently doing that as primarily a silencing tactic.

Yes, there was no outrage, the media didn't go apeshit like today. It's so preposterous of you to act as if it was the same, f**k it.
Also I doubt anyone from the government will kick you out if you have your papers in order.


The fact that you think that is the only danger that comes from Trump’s demonization of immigrants says a lot. ICE itself doesn’t threaten me, what does - the fuel he’s pumping into his extremists which I have experienced first hand.

Media = centrists or just profit which means towing the line.

Participating in fight for immigration and equal marriage rights taught me who the “mainstream” Democrats truly are. One thing many in the states quickly pick up on - many activists hate the DNC as well as the media that gives power to them. Not as scary as the GOP, but they do keep people asleep often.

Unless they say that legal immigrants should be kicked out or stuff like "die Mexicans" I think that every misbehaviour committed by extremists should be accounted to the same extermists.


I’ll say they show the second one a lot in ways more intense than just saying it. They’ve sent many death threats. These people are scary and they’re dangerous.

Trump has sent death threats to illegal immigrants?



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22 Jun 2018, 3:39 am

His followers have to documented and undocumented immigrants as well as to our allies.

I’d like to say it ends there - but his followers have been doing it to everyone white supremacists target. I know definitely Jews, Muslims, and lgbtq have encountered this as well. I’m sure other groups have as well. While that kind of vile and terrifying hatred has always been around - there has been a notable increase since he got elected. Or to use one word: escalation.



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22 Jun 2018, 4:50 am

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His followers have to documented and undocumented immigrants as well as to our allies.

I’d like to say it ends there - but his followers have been doing it to everyone white supremacists target. I know definitely Jews, Muslims, and lgbtq have encountered this as well. I’m sure other groups have as well. While that kind of vile and terrifying hatred has always been around - there has been a notable increase since he got elected. Or to use one word: escalation.

Blame the followers if they do stuff he doesn't promote, it's that easy. By the way Trump is full of Jews in his company and family, if I remember well.
I have the feeling that some people use these extremists to try to delegimate people who legitimately are against illegal immigration. It's a logical fallacy.



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22 Jun 2018, 6:59 am

Merkel came to Lebanon yesterday to beg us to keep the 2 Million Syrian refugees inside our borders.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano ... ssues.ashx

In the next apartment where I live, there's a refugee 'family' (it's more like 4 families) : 4 men, 4 women, 20 kids , and two of the women are pregnant!

One floor above, another refugee 'family': at least 3 to 4 men, women and dozens of kids ... and some of the women are pregnant already.

On the ground floor apartment, we had only one Syrian concierge, now his whole family and his brother's family are all there, with a dozen of kids.

And what's worse, that I often see them bringing some guests to spend some nights, with their kids too.

Man....the bloc's water tank is often empty ever since!



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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Merkel came to Lebanon yesterday to beg us to keep the 2 Million Syrian refugees inside our borders.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano ... ssues.ashx

In the next apartment where I live, there's a refugee 'family' (it's more like 4 families) : 4 men, 4 women, 20 kids , and two of the women are pregnant!

One floor above, another refugee 'family': at least 3 to 4 men, women and dozens of kids ... and some of the women are pregnant already.

On the ground floor apartment, we had only one Syrian concierge, now his whole family and his brother's family are all there, with a dozen of kids.

And what's worse, that I often see them bringing some guests to spend some nights, with their kids too.

Man....the bloc's water tank is often empty ever since!




:( poor children



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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Merkel came to Lebanon yesterday to beg us to keep the 2 Million Syrian refugees inside our borders.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano ... ssues.ashx

In the next apartment where I live, there's a refugee 'family' (it's more like 4 families) : 4 men, 4 women, 20 kids , and two of the women are pregnant!

One floor above, another refugee 'family': at least 3 to 4 men, women and dozens of kids ... and some of the women are pregnant already.

On the ground floor apartment, we had only one Syrian concierge, now his whole family and his brother's family are all there, with a dozen of kids.

And what's worse, that I often see them bringing some guests to spend some nights, with their kids too.

Man....the bloc's water tank is often empty ever since!




:( poor children


Hence why the UN refugee agency should train them how to use contraceptives.



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Merkel came to Lebanon yesterday to beg us to keep the 2 Million Syrian refugees inside our borders.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano ... ssues.ashx

In the next apartment where I live, there's a refugee 'family' (it's more like 4 families) : 4 men, 4 women, 20 kids , and two of the women are pregnant!

One floor above, another refugee 'family': at least 3 to 4 men, women and dozens of kids ... and some of the women are pregnant already.

On the ground floor apartment, we had only one Syrian concierge, now his whole family and his brother's family are all there, with a dozen of kids.

And what's worse, that I often see them bringing some guests to spend some nights, with their kids too.

Man....the bloc's water tank is often empty ever since!




:( poor children


Hence why the UN refugee agency should train them how to use contraceptives.


:lol:

yeah, it's the same with gipsies here - they always have the money for the cigarettes, but never for the condoms :P and those children end up begging.

it's just that i read of many syrian children committing suicide, living in appaling conditions, eating dirt...while their parents are fighting and nations are arguing who should take them.



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22 Jun 2018, 10:09 am

Booyakasha wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Booyakasha wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Merkel came to Lebanon yesterday to beg us to keep the 2 Million Syrian refugees inside our borders.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano ... ssues.ashx

In the next apartment where I live, there's a refugee 'family' (it's more like 4 families) : 4 men, 4 women, 20 kids , and two of the women are pregnant!

One floor above, another refugee 'family': at least 3 to 4 men, women and dozens of kids ... and some of the women are pregnant already.

On the ground floor apartment, we had only one Syrian concierge, now his whole family and his brother's family are all there, with a dozen of kids.

And what's worse, that I often see them bringing some guests to spend some nights, with their kids too.

Man....the bloc's water tank is often empty ever since!




:( poor children


Hence why the UN refugee agency should train them how to use contraceptives.


:lol:

yeah, it's the same with gipsies here - they always have the money for the cigarettes, but never for the condoms :P and those children end up begging.

it's just that i read of many syrian children committing suicide, living in appaling conditions, eating dirt...while their parents are fighting and nations are arguing who should take them.



A lot of them do live in apartment though and getting payments from the UN - and local employers are happy ....they're using their skills (either via illegal non-recorded employment or freelancing) since they cost cheaper than locals. My boss for instance is using the services of a Syrian engineer (refugee).

They're also causing rental prices to skyrocket, since they are willing to share with other 3-4 large refugee families in same apartment, that means they have a much stronger purchase power (as rental) than locals, no local couple would share an apartment with another couple or family.

So as you can imagine, the situation is drastic, on one hand Europe and its refugee agency are urging us not to deport them (because they're afraid to get a share of them) and probably bribing our politicians for not taking any measures - obviously this what was Merkel's mission for her visits to our key politicians today, and on another hand that bastard Bachar Al Assad (the guy who's loved by the OP so much) is doing anti-return policies like the 'law 10' he made to confiscate the lands and houses of of millions of fleed Syrian refugees, because you know....they're "traitors" for escaping the war.

Which means he will make them refugees forever because they will have nowhere to live back home.

http://socialistworker.org/2018/05/30/s ... h-refugees

There are about 1 Millions registered syrian refugees here, and probably another half million unregistered. http://urda.org.lb/en/details.aspx?ID=1426



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22 Jun 2018, 10:18 am

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So as you can imagine, the situation is drastic, on one hand Europe and its refugee agency are urging us not to deport them (because they're afraid to get a share of them) and probably bribing our politicians for not taking any measures - obviously this what was Merkel's mission for her visits to our politicians, and on another hand that bastard Bachar Al Assad (the guy who's loved by the OP so much) is doing anti-return policies like the 'law 10' he made to confiscate the lands and houses of of millions of fleed Syrian refugees, because you know....they're "traitors" for escaping the war.

Which means he will make them refugees forever because they will have nowhere to live back home.

http://socialistworker.org/2018/05/30/s ... h-refugees

They can regain it by showing up within 30 days with the documents or appointing a relative or lawyer to do it.



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Peacesells wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
So as you can imagine, the situation is drastic, on one hand Europe and its refugee agency are urging us not to deport them (because they're afraid to get a share of them) and probably bribing our politicians for not taking any measures - obviously this what was Merkel's mission for her visits to our politicians, and on another hand that bastard Bachar Al Assad (the guy who's loved by the OP so much) is doing anti-return policies like the 'law 10' he made to confiscate the lands and houses of of millions of fleed Syrian refugees, because you know....they're "traitors" for escaping the war.

Which means he will make them refugees forever because they will have nowhere to live back home.

http://socialistworker.org/2018/05/30/s ... h-refugees

They can regain it by showing up within 30 days with the documents or appointing a relative or lawyer to do it.


And why only 30 days to produce papers and claims? You think this law is sane?

Clearly, nobody outside Syria who is against the government, or even merely having relatives in the opposing side, can do this – nor can those thousands who live outside Syria’s frontiers to evade the conscription who would face arrest if they go home.




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22 Jun 2018, 10:32 am

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They can regain it by showing up within 30 days with the documents or appointing a relative or lawyer to do it.

And why only 30 days to produce papers and claims? You think this law is sane?

Clearly, nobody outside Syria who is against the government, or even merely having relatives in the opposing side, can do this – nor can those thousands who live outside Syria’s frontiers to evade the conscription who would face arrest if they go home.



I guess then they were rebels? And you expect Syria to treat these rebels like normal citizens who request their stuff back?