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21 Jul 2018, 1:44 pm

^Another word-wall.

Fellow believers, PLEASE SIMPLIFY AND CONDENSE your beliefs before posting them. Remember that you are not witnessing to other Biblical scholars who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and who have spent their entire lives marinating in the Word, but to ordinary people who have likely mis-heard and mis-read the Gospels, if they have ever heard or read them at all!

Keep it simple.

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21 Jul 2018, 1:48 pm

I'm an Aspie; for me, that *was* the simplified version!

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21 Jul 2018, 1:55 pm

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I'm an Aspie; for me, that *was* the simplified version!

Not funny. You can do better.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:04 pm

I actually found what BicentennialMan said rather interesting, and not complicated.

It doesn’t mean I believe in Jesus as the Son of God, though.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:06 pm

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I actually found what BicentennialMan said rather interesting, and not complicated. It doesn’t mean I believe in Jesus as the Son of God, though.

Yes ... the more complex and philosophical the sermon, the less likely it is to inspire a conversion in ordinary people.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:09 pm

I Think/Feel A Key here obvious in 'the Book' is Jesus didn't play by the rules; hehe, in other
Words even if he did exist, he would not likely exist here for Long on the 'Wrong Planet' either
now; not without very clever methods of coming and going and such as that. There are Folks
Who Play by the Rules and Stay in the Cave with the Same Cave Art or folks who get out and do something
totally
new in Art and or Science
Like Snoopy if that Brings up a truly
Free Image of a Dog like God (Free Just Loving Free).

From the Gospel of Thomas Censored out of Course as it Takes the Power away from 'Trumps'
And Gives God Nature Control to Each and Every Person alive now/then and sure the Rest of Nature too.

"37) His disciples said to him, "When will you be visible to us,
and when shall we behold you?"
He said, "When you strip naked without being ashamed, and
take your garments and put them under your feet like little
children and tread upon them, then you will see the child of the
Living, and you will not be afraid."

Ha! Jesus, in These Words at Least, is the first proponent of Male Stripping taking us/them back to the Beginning
Now Then Before 'the Apple' of too Much Mechanical Systemizing Clothes With all the Tools of Culture;
Born Free is Better at least to me, or reborn as such like that now, too. Again if you will, Have a Nice Now.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:11 pm

^^ Case in point. ^^

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21 Jul 2018, 2:12 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I actually found what BicentennialMan said rather interesting, and not complicated.

It doesn’t mean I believe in Jesus as the Son of God, though.

Ditto; this isn't Kindergarten; It is Philosophy/Religion/Politics without Closed in Walls (PriSon), at best,
at least to me.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:13 pm

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^^ Case in point. ^^

You would be Fun to meet in Person. It would be interesting if you were even brave enough to show your real face..

In other Words, get off my butt 'Smart Man'.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:19 pm

I like it that he conveyed the history of Jesus’ time. And the religious/philosophical conflicts thereof.

It was Jesus against the Temple establishment, plus the “fundamentalism” of the Pharisees.

Jesus was seen as being a weirdo, in some sense like some of us autistics vis-a-vis the general society.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:24 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I actually found what BicentennialMan said rather interesting, and not complicated.

It doesn’t mean I believe in Jesus as the Son of God, though.

Thank you for the kind words, and for reading my post.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:25 pm

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I like it that he conveyed the history of Jesus’ time. And the religious/philosophical conflicts thereof. It was he against the Temple establishment, and the ham-fisted adherence to rules of the Pharisees.

But you weren't convinced by the overly-detailed explanation.

This is why church enrollment is declining -- preachers preach complex 'messages' to the people who are already convinced, instead of providing simple answers to the unconvinced. Then they are satisfied with the "kind words" they receive, and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to those who thirst for the Truth.

The End Times are surely upon us.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:33 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:

I actually found what BicentennialMan said rather interesting, and not complicated.

It doesn’t mean I believe in Jesus as the Son of God, though.

Thank you for the kind words, and for reading my post.

I really enjoyed what you wrote too; I do believe you captured most of what
the Writers of the Story of Jesus were trying to get through to others;

Namely;

Just Love.

That's A Message That Truth In Light Will Not Be Beat For Those Who Just Do It Without Fail Now.

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21 Jul 2018, 2:36 pm

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Ditto again; that's what I like Most about the Jesus Story too; Unconditional Fearless Love For All; such a Wonderful
Art to Just do too..

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21 Jul 2018, 2:49 pm

It left me convinced that the times were tough in Jesus’ day, and that he offered a counterpoint.

As far as making me a convert to Christianity: not unless Jesus himself presented Himself to me.

It is true that Jesus’ message was conveyed by a man in touch with all the people of his time and place. His message was conveyed in simple language with some poetic symbolism and aphoristic folk wisdom.

I do believe “the medium is the message.” It’s how you present the message.

Bicentennial presented his message in historical, not hysterical terms. People with no knowledge of the Pharisees should ask Bicentennial about them. And, if they so desire, conduct research pertaining to them.

I would say that an objective inquiry would reveal that the Jews didn’t rat on Jesus. It was the Temple establishment and their allies.

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21 Jul 2018, 10:07 pm

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Hi all. Yeah, this is another thread about religion. I was raised by an uber-religious father with narcissistic personality disorder. This has had a big effect on me.

Anyways, I want to talk about a very creepy Bible verse.

"Most certainly I tell you, all sins of the descendants of man will be forgiven, including their blasphemies with which they may blaspheme; but whoever may blaspheme against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" —because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."
- Mark 3:28-30

A lot of people have told me. "God can forgive almost anything, including murder. A murderer who repents before he dies can go to heaven. The only person that God can never forgive is an unbeliever."

Am I the only person who finds this mentality to be incredibly unjust? Why do so many people think that free speech is Biblical in origin? It obviously isn't.

Free speech? What are you talking about?

A lot of American conservatives have told me that "American values" like democracy and free speech are Biblical in origin.

This doesn't make any sense to me. The Bible makes it very clear that blasphemy is the worst crime possible. Free speech never could have come out of that.

What are the exact quotes of American conservatives who have said this? All I heard from them is that free speech comes from their understanding of Judeo-Christian cultural heritage. That's not necessarily the same thing as it actually originating in the Bible.

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