Has this transgender movement gotten out of hand?

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As for restrooms, they are "sex segregated" and we mainly have this segregation for the protection of females in compromised positions. That being said, by "sex segregated" we are talking about exterior phenotype with clothes on. We do not do a genital exam or karyotype testing before one enters a restroom. So my philosophy on this is one should use the restroom of the sex they pass as. If you don't pass enough to use a particular restroom without causing controversy I think that is the least one your battles as far as gender acceptance in life goes. In everyday life, people will peg your gender as the sex you look regardless of anything else.

I do not believe surgeries should be done on intersexed children without their informed input except in cases where it is necessary to fix certain structural problems that impact safety.

But I do believe male children who feel they are female gendered should be given acces to androgen blockers to delay puberty until they are ready to make a choice as to their path in life as the effects of the androgen can be irreversible.

I am not well enough versed on the legal statutes in various jurisdictions to provide a definitive answer to your question. In recent years, there has been greater effort to raise awareness of the potential harms that can result from conducting intersex surgical intervention on infants. I just don’t know to what degree the law has evolved in response.

This story from Human Rights Watch (https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/07/25/i ... hildren-us) provides a good summary of the history and impact of intersex surgery, at least in the U.S.

I believe they are. But they aren't changing something definite, they are trying to decide one way or another based on ambiguous genitalia. And doctors used to do this all themselves, to avoid having parents even think about the issue. The ethics are evolving...

Trans should be able to use the bathroom for the gender they have become.

You wouldn't force a cis woman into a male's bathroom since she could get raped.

You don't force a trans woman into a male's bathroom since she could get raped.

If anyone doubts this, just go look at what trans women look like - some appear more classically feminine than some women do. Forcing any woman into a male's bathroom is inviting a potentially dangerous situation to happen.

I don't believe "rape" is automatic in those situations. More like feeling "abashed," or "embarrassed."

I certainly wouldn't feel like raping a woman should she walk into the bathroom. I would feel sort of like a woman when a man walks into her bathroom.

Men, usually, aren't that kind of vicious.

It wouldn't automatically happen. But, women getting raped in bathrooms does happen. All it takes is wrong place, wrong time. I'm pessimistic about the human species as a whole.

The modern argument is that people should be able to use the bathroom that matches their gender identity , NOT "the gender they have become".

"Gender identity" is an unseen, unknowable thing.

Walgreens will now let customers use bathrooms based on gender identity
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/walgreens ... -identity/

Target: Use the bathroom of your 'gender identity'
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/20/ta ... ntity.html

A practical definition of gender identity is the gender listed on driver's license or state identity card. I always have my driver's license with me when I leave the house. When my wife became too disabled to drive she turned in her driver's license and automatically got a state identification card.

https://transequality.org/documents
This site will keeps track of what you need to do to change the gender on your driver's license and birth certificate.

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Okay thanks, but I feel that the reason why people are classified as certain genders, is because physically that is what they are. Why do so many people have a problem with that?

Like for example on my driver's licence it says that I my eye color is blue. But you don't see me going down to the government and protesting saying that I feel psychologically, my eye color is brown and you people need to change your way of classifying me. People would just think that is silly and that I have an insecurity for bringing this up to the government, right?

So why are people taking it this seriously when it comes to wanting to classified as a gender that they are not?

And I do think of it as a 'movement', because people have been moving on this thing much faster in the past few years compared to before.

Because eye color is nothing compared to gender. You do realize that fully transitioned trans women have vaginas right? A vagina has more different from a dick than a brown eye and a blue eye. And that is only one difference of many. Science shows, forgot where I read this, that a trans woman's brain is closer to a cis woman's brain than a cis man's brain. So basically they have a lot more in common with women.

Yes, it has been gaining movement. Why? Because, luckily, there's less transphobic people per year than there use to be. Trans people have been around forever, the only real different is more people are realizing how ridiculous it is to attack someone for what their gender is - which systematically is letting more people be who they actually are. Surprising that.

Saying "there's more trans people alive today than there was in the past" is just as ridiculous a notion as saying "there's more gay people alive today than there was in the past" - the only difference is the closet being rammed down like it should have been centuries ago.

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Your ID doesn't prove your "gender identity".

*Your gender Identity* , is YOUR identification, not what anyone else says.

LGBTQ groups might find it offensive if you suggest that they can't self-identify and must use a state designation.

Yeah for sure, I'm not saying that there are more transgender people alive today than before. I am just saying that there is a movement going now compared to before.

Okay I should tape a step back here. What is so bad about having a vagina or a penis? Can't a person just be happy with who they are and live with it, or maybe see a therapist about the issue, if it's causing them distress?

Why bring the government into and make things like their restroom problems, other people's problems as well?

You're a guy (I'm guessing?). So, if I had magical abilities that gave you a vagina and made you look like a girl. Not only that, but because you look like a girl people expect you to act and behave like a girl or they claim there's something "wrong" with you. Would you be happy and content with that or want to change back into being a guy again because that is who you are?

Most guys, no offense to women, would see that as a nightmare. The same nightmare bigots are trying to push onto trans women because the same nightmarish thoughts of what that must be like - being in the wrong body - is what they experience on a daily basis when they can't be who they actually are.

It's only a problem to bigots and transphobic people, which as said - luckily those people and their views are going away more and more with each passing day.

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I think that is a reasonable compromise to keep creeps out of bathrooms they don't belong, while allowing TGs to use the bathroom the consider appropriate.

You are correct that a state ID does not require you to have a gender identity aligned with what is printed on the card. In social interactions, people can adopt whatever gender identity feels most right for them. But in interactions with the state, that ID card becomes critically important. In parts of the world, it still affects who you can marry. It also influences which two people can adopt a child, including in many parts of the world that have progressive policies toward same-sex marriage. And it shapes your experiences whenever you are are asked to present ID for official identification purposes. (Imagine the disbelief a bearded transman is going to get upon handing to a customs or police officer an ID card that has, "Gender: F" printed on it.)

For all of these reasons, LGBTQ groups support and advocate for every person being treated with dignity and respect no matter their preferred gender identity. But that includes supporting laws that allow for the adjustment of gender status on state IDs, as doing so is necessary to extend the desired dignity and respect to interactions with the state.