What’s everyone’s thoughts on this?
$16,000 per year is living in poverty in the US though.
Property taxes alone in my area are $5000/yr for the cheaper homes. Throw in home repair and maintenance costs, home owner's insurance, utilities (cable, electric, gas, phone) and you need a good $10,000/yr just for home costs.
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How?
It's hard for most Americans to simply stay out of debt, let alone try to make it on poverty-level income of $16,000/yr.
-Property taxes
-Home owner's insurance
-Home owner repairs
-Utilities (water, gas, electric, phone, cable)
-Car insurance
-Car maintenance (oil change, rotate tires, buy new tires, new parts ...)
-Food
-Medical expenses
-Entertainment
-Misc Expenses (gas, car registration fees, memberships, license fees, tax filing fees ....)
-Buying clothes & household goods
-TAXES ... capital gains taxes are accessed on retirement stock profits.
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*no high speed internet
*no cable
*no eating out
*no health club membership
*no cell phone
*no entertainment
*no house note [tin can paid for, on its own land out in the sticks]
*property tax just $435/year
*car inherited from mother, 1997 model, so only liability insurance
*1997 car is a Honda so is [so far] scarily reliable, no major expenses there either
*rice and beans are still cheap, no expensive meat for me
*tin can so far has not cost me anything major
*no clothes other than what I already have
*no health insurance [totally unaffordable], just what the VA gives me for my service
*ed jones arranged it so I don't pay that much tax, that is what I get for their traditional 3% cut
*the tin can insurance [about $700/year] and monthly land line is my major expense.
obviously I am no bourgeois capitalist
and anybody who doesn't like it can go eat worms ![]()
*no cable
*no eating out
*no health club membership
*no cell phone
*no entertainment
*no house note [tin can paid for, on its own land out in the sticks]
*property tax just $435/year
*car inherited from mother, 1997 model, so only liability insurance
*1997 car is a Honda so is [so far] scarily reliable, no major expenses there either
*rice and beans are still cheap, no expensive meat for me
*tin can so far has not cost me anything major
*no clothes other than what I already have
*no health insurance [totally unaffordable], just what the VA gives me for my service
*ed jones arranged it so I don't pay that much tax, that is what I get for their traditional 3% cut
*the tin can insurance [about $700/year] and monthly land line is my major expense.
obviously I am no bourgeois capitalist
That's commendable.
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Hate to tell people who aren’t financially well off this - it is so rigged, you’ve got no idea. No matter what you think my/our advantages are - the 1% - you’re not thinking enough. I’m 30 and my biggest financial issue right now is how much money I’d like to pay while staying at a film festival for a couple of days to not overspend (never mind I’m not financially worried enough to not buy Spidey PS4 tomorrow before leaving for the festival
I was born poor and adopted into wealth, so an ‘Annie’ type background that makes me want the poor to rise up.
Something needs to change. What, unsure - but, something. I don’t want a feudalistic country even though that is basically already what we have.
Assuming that people pay a fair share of taxes, and that the impoverished are taken care of, then that's fine.
So my view isn't that the 1% possess such large amounts of wealth, and that the elite can weild such value as power, rather it's that some of these people barely contribute to society to help raise those at the bottom to at least a standard of legitimate potential.
To claim a society is a meritocracy is fine, assuming it's true. In many cases it isn't, but that doesn't mean people aren't entitled to their wealth regardless.
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You mean a lack of success isn't caused by being lazy and refusing to work? /sarcasm
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