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27 Nov 2018, 4:35 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The Confederacy?
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
What you're forgetting is, slavery and Jim Crow that followed was about class distinction. Those whites who owned slaves had a higher social standing than those who did not, and that social standing was a major reason for their near fanatical support for slavery up to the War of Southern Treason. Those poor whites who didn't own slaves mostly supported slavery because they could console themselves with the knowledge that they were at least better than blacks - which is the reason why they terrorized freed blacks into subservience after losing the war. This is the same reason why so many white southerners have opposed civil rights for blacks, as they would lose their social standing as being superior to blacks to the point of committing terrorism and murder. It's the same reason why conservative Democrat southern whites had flocked to the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years when the rest of the Democrats had thrown their support behind civil rights.
Affirmative action is not in any way slavery just moved north. It's a highly imperfect response to gross social inequalities based on white racism against blacks and other racial minorities.There won't be a need for affirmative action when whites stop regarding blacks and other non-whites as inferior, or with suspicion, or just with blind hatred.
No, liberals are not motivated by racism. That's not to say there aren't liberals who aren't personally racists, but the ideology itself is not.
If Trump isn't a racist, he's then cynically exploiting racial hatred for political gain.
“Civil Rights”?
If you say so.
27 Nov 2018, 6:59 pm
27 Nov 2018, 7:02 pm
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27 Nov 2018, 7:27 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The Confederacy?
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
What you're forgetting is, slavery and Jim Crow that followed was about class distinction. Those whites who owned slaves had a higher social standing than those who did not, and that social standing was a major reason for their near fanatical support for slavery up to the War of Southern Treason. Those poor whites who didn't own slaves mostly supported slavery because they could console themselves with the knowledge that they were at least better than blacks - which is the reason why they terrorized freed blacks into subservience after losing the war. This is the same reason why so many white southerners have opposed civil rights for blacks, as they would lose their social standing as being superior to blacks to the point of committing terrorism and murder. It's the same reason why conservative Democrat southern whites had flocked to the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years when the rest of the Democrats had thrown their support behind civil rights.
Affirmative action is not in any way slavery just moved north. It's a highly imperfect response to gross social inequalities based on white racism against blacks and other racial minorities.There won't be a need for affirmative action when whites stop regarding blacks and other non-whites as inferior, or with suspicion, or just with blind hatred.
No, liberals are not motivated by racism. That's not to say there aren't liberals who aren't personally racists, but the ideology itself is not.
If Trump isn't a racist, he's then cynically exploiting racial hatred for political gain.
“Civil Rights”?
If you say so.I presume you're challenging the historic fact that white conservative Democrats left for the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years because the rest of the Democratic party had embraced civil rights for all citizens. Well, sorry, but that's a historic fact. White southern Republicans don't like to admit to this fact, just like they try rewriting history to prove that the CIVIL WAR had not been fought to defend the institution of slavery by their ancestors.
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27 Nov 2018, 11:39 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The Confederacy?
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
What you're forgetting is, slavery and Jim Crow that followed was about class distinction. Those whites who owned slaves had a higher social standing than those who did not, and that social standing was a major reason for their near fanatical support for slavery up to the War of Southern Treason. Those poor whites who didn't own slaves mostly supported slavery because they could console themselves with the knowledge that they were at least better than blacks - which is the reason why they terrorized freed blacks into subservience after losing the war. This is the same reason why so many white southerners have opposed civil rights for blacks, as they would lose their social standing as being superior to blacks to the point of committing terrorism and murder. It's the same reason why conservative Democrat southern whites had flocked to the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years when the rest of the Democrats had thrown their support behind civil rights.
Affirmative action is not in any way slavery just moved north. It's a highly imperfect response to gross social inequalities based on white racism against blacks and other racial minorities.There won't be a need for affirmative action when whites stop regarding blacks and other non-whites as inferior, or with suspicion, or just with blind hatred.
No, liberals are not motivated by racism. That's not to say there aren't liberals who aren't personally racists, but the ideology itself is not.
If Trump isn't a racist, he's then cynically exploiting racial hatred for political gain.
“Civil Rights”?
If you say so.I presume you're challenging the historic fact that white conservative Democrats left for the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years because the rest of the Democratic party had embraced civil rights for all citizens. Well, sorry, but that's a historic fact. White southern Republicans don't like to admit to this fact, just like they try rewriting history to prove that the CIVIL WAR had not been fought to defend the institution of slavery by their ancestors.
Either that or he's suggesting that civil rights is somehow a conspiracy to make black people dependant on welfare.
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27 Nov 2018, 11:42 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The Confederacy?
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
Ok, there are a lot of problems with that.
First of all, the Confederacy was on the losing side of an argument, not just a war. Republicans aren’t Confederates. They never were.
Institutionalized slavery enslaves ALL involved. Slave owners are bound to the trade and dependent on human chattel for their own survival. Slave owners are no more free than their slaves. They merely possess power. The problem is it’s only power to keep taking. The institution collapses when there’s nothing left to take from anyone. Slavery cannot exist unless it is fueled by some form of robbery.
The Confederate system was essentially redistribution of wealth. Plantation owners had free labor and the means of production. Owners enjoyed the fruits of slave labor while providing for the basic needs of slaves. Don’t overlook the fact that slavery was a collectivist institution.
Racism is probably the worst form of collectivism there is. It’s a way of saying, “Look at me, I’m white, or I’m black. I am therefore entitled to certain rights and privileges because of my skin color or ethnic background. You have what I don’t want to work for, so I’ll just take it.” Hiring/firing workers based on skin or ethnicity rather than on skill, reputation, or merit, and making pay equal straight across the board without regard to achievement is racist and collectivist. Hiring a white man because he’s white instead of a better skilled and harder working black man is racist. Affirmative action is also racist. Same reason.
It seems to me that there’s some new protected class every day lining up for handouts, special treatment, and some imaginary “right” that the rest of us “owe” them in exchange for...? They don’t seem to understand or care that they are being exploited by those in power in order to stay in power. They’re slaves, too. It’s just that their owners, the former Confederate institutional collectivists, lost ownership of their bodies. It’s their minds the Confederates are after, and the Confederates have largely succeeded over the last 100 years or so.
The Confederacy ideology never died. It just moved north. Bunch of white men and women far removed from the south pontificating on how racist we are when they have NO IDEA, and no connection to the REAL problems we have down here. It doesn’t matter to the absentee landlords up there as long as they get black, hispanic, and women votes, and they’ll tell every protected group out there exactly what they want to hear if it means they stay in power. Slaves had little actual incentive to improve themselves before the War of Northern Agression. Now they’re being sold on broken promises of “hope and change” while being tricked into believing all the myths of their own hopelessness. They have no reason to better themselves, yet they continue to prop up those promise and make no effort to deliver. And if someone dares to walk off the plantation, it’s seen as betrayal.
I’m not lying to myself or anyone else that there are no Conservative racists or no Republican racists. But those people among us either don’t understand or refuse to see that their own minds are enslaved. They’re no more or less racist than their liberal counterparts. They’re just open an honest about it. They are dangerous people. But they are no more or less dangerous than those who hide their true intentions. At least if I know someone is racist, I know to avoid them. Liberals aren’t open about their own racism, and it’s frightening to me that those they despise the most are so attracted to and easily exploited by them.
WRT Donald Trump, I don’t get the impression that he’s a racist. Overall I’m ok with Trump. The main complaint that I have is I don’t think he’s conservative enough.
What you're forgetting is, slavery and Jim Crow that followed was about class distinction. Those whites who owned slaves had a higher social standing than those who did not, and that social standing was a major reason for their near fanatical support for slavery up to the War of Southern Treason. Those poor whites who didn't own slaves mostly supported slavery because they could console themselves with the knowledge that they were at least better than blacks - which is the reason why they terrorized freed blacks into subservience after losing the war. This is the same reason why so many white southerners have opposed civil rights for blacks, as they would lose their social standing as being superior to blacks to the point of committing terrorism and murder. It's the same reason why conservative Democrat southern whites had flocked to the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years when the rest of the Democrats had thrown their support behind civil rights.
Affirmative action is not in any way slavery just moved north. It's a highly imperfect response to gross social inequalities based on white racism against blacks and other racial minorities.There won't be a need for affirmative action when whites stop regarding blacks and other non-whites as inferior, or with suspicion, or just with blind hatred.
No, liberals are not motivated by racism. That's not to say there aren't liberals who aren't personally racists, but the ideology itself is not.
If Trump isn't a racist, he's then cynically exploiting racial hatred for political gain.
“Civil Rights”?
If you say so.I presume you're challenging the historic fact that white conservative Democrats left for the Republican party during the Nixon and Reagan years because the rest of the Democratic party had embraced civil rights for all citizens. Well, sorry, but that's a historic fact. White southern Republicans don't like to admit to this fact, just like they try rewriting history to prove that the CIVIL WAR had not been fought to defend the institution of slavery by their ancestors.
Either that or he's suggesting that civil rights is somehow a conspiracy to make black people dependant on welfare.
Only he can answer that.
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