Republicans are anti-democratic
What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
They do in my state they return people’s ballots claiming the signature doesn’t matche perfectly 100%. This only happens to registered republicans.
Example I’m a Democrat who votes republican. My signature never matches up at all I’d say maybe 20% similar. Yet my ballot didn’t get returned. They target and suppress republican voters here.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
They do in my state they return people’s ballots claiming the signature doesn’t matche perfectly 100%. This only happens to registered republicans.
Example I’m a Democrat who votes republican. My signature never matches up at all I’d say maybe 20% similar. Yet my ballot didn’t get returned. They target and suppress republican voters here.
How do you know, only registered republicans in your state have gotten their ballet back due to the signature not matching? Is there any kind of report or news article on this, because I'd like to see it.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
Just ask a Bernie Sanders supporter about why Democrats like to suppress voters.
As a matter of fact, I was one of those Bernie supporters. And as such I can tell you what those chicken heads at the DNC pulled was stupid and corrupt, but the fact remains that it hardly compares to the massive voter suppression schemes conducted by the GOP to steal their constitutionally guaranteed vote from millions of racial minorities and poor people.
How many millions according to the data gathered?
Are you casting doubt on Republican voter suppression?
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
Except when it is Bernie Sanders, primary voters. 2016 is what I would define as recent.
They are champions because they perceive it to be to their political advantage to do that. If it was to their advantage to suppress votes I have no doubt most of them would do it, and the Republicans would be all virtue signaling about how the will of the voters must be upheld.
While that political cynicism doubtlessly has been displayed by Dems before, I can't believe that there was never any sense of idealism fighting for minority voting rights.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
They do in my state they return people’s ballots claiming the signature doesn’t matche perfectly 100%. This only happens to registered republicans.
Example I’m a Democrat who votes republican. My signature never matches up at all I’d say maybe 20% similar. Yet my ballot didn’t get returned. They target and suppress republican voters here.
How do you know, only registered republicans in your state have gotten their ballet back due to the signature not matching? Is there any kind of report or news article on this, because I'd like to see it.
Because I haven’t seen a single democrat complain about but but 1/4 of the thousands of pro gun republicans in the Facebook group had theirs returned.
Look if they were enforcing the signature laws on everyone, there’s no way in hell my ballot would go through. Non of my signatures look the same and certainly don’t match the one I did 12 years ago at 18. Back then it actually looked like words. Today it’s just bunch of twisted lines. Meanwhile people who actual write cursive and their name get their ballots refused?
But no there’s no proof to any voter suppression, it’s all just people saying they were suppressed. But my state is run by democrats who want to keep the power. They for example ran a candidate they knew was corrupt and breaking laws just so he could resign and appoint a democrat, cause otherwise a republican should have won, they can’t have that.
They’re never allow Oregon to go red ever, it’ll be over their dead bodies.
The only way to do that is to rig the system.
Same reason they have it set up so all Oregon’s votes go to one candidate instead of splitting it by the areas like Ohio does.
They also pass laws and slap emery clause ,meant for war or natural disasters, on everything they pass so it can never go to vote by the people.
Why would they deny the Oregon citizens their right to vote on issues unless they know it’ll be voted down?
How’d you feel if republicans controlled Colorado and passed very law as a state of emergency thus denying yiur say in the matter,
Sorry we banned weed, it’s a state of emergency, sorry we banned abortion and gay marriage it’s s state of emergency.
My states democrats are super corrupt wanna be dictators
It would be akin to supporting and defending a person who'd throw you under the bus, if it would make them richer.
Why’d you support Obama and Hillary then? They’re the same way. Any politician will throw you under a bus to make them richer.
Politicians by nature are selfish they out to make money and get power.
Even Bernie has many houses and is quite wealthy and threw his suppose under the bus.
Politicians do not care about anyone but themselves at their heart. They do some nice things, trump helps people, but if it comes down to them or you it’s them.
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It would be akin to supporting and defending a person who'd throw you under the bus, if it would make them richer.
Why’d you support Obama and Hillary then? They’re the same way. Any politician will throw you under a bus to make them richer.
Politicians by nature are selfish they out to make money and get power.
Even Bernie has many houses and is quite wealthy and threw his suppose under the bus.
Politicians do not care about anyone but themselves at their heart. They do some nice things, trump helps people, but if it comes down to them or you it’s them.
I didn't support Hillary, so not sure where you got that and I thought Obama was ok but I had a lot of criticism for him to when he was president, much of the time i was thinking he could do better. Also yes to some degree I suppose all politicians are in it for themselves, but trump is a straight up spoiled brat. Id rather have had Hillary over Trump, but I don't 'support' her and I think it would be a terrible mistake if the Democrats try to push her as a presidential candidate again.
And what has trump done to 'help people' who aren't part the wealthy elite and big oil? What has he done to help you? I mean I can see not supporting the democratic party, and having more republican right wing views even if I disagree...but Idk how anyone could even have an ounce of respect for Trump specifically.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
Just ask a Bernie Sanders supporter about why Democrats like to suppress voters.
As a matter of fact, I was one of those Bernie supporters. And as such I can tell you what those chicken heads at the DNC pulled was stupid and corrupt, but the fact remains that it hardly compares to the massive voter suppression schemes conducted by the GOP to steal their constitutionally guaranteed vote from millions of racial minorities and poor people.
How many millions according to the data gathered?
Are you casting doubt on Republican voter suppression?
Just answer the question please.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
Just ask a Bernie Sanders supporter about why Democrats like to suppress voters.
As a matter of fact, I was one of those Bernie supporters. And as such I can tell you what those chicken heads at the DNC pulled was stupid and corrupt, but the fact remains that it hardly compares to the massive voter suppression schemes conducted by the GOP to steal their constitutionally guaranteed vote from millions of racial minorities and poor people.
How many millions according to the data gathered?
Are you casting doubt on Republican voter suppression?
Just answer the question please.
53,000 suppressed votes in Georgia alone, and that's just one state where this goes on. Cumulatively with past elections, I have no doubt that it extends far beyond the thousands.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
Just ask a Bernie Sanders supporter about why Democrats like to suppress voters.
As a matter of fact, I was one of those Bernie supporters. And as such I can tell you what those chicken heads at the DNC pulled was stupid and corrupt, but the fact remains that it hardly compares to the massive voter suppression schemes conducted by the GOP to steal their constitutionally guaranteed vote from millions of racial minorities and poor people.
How many millions according to the data gathered?
Are you casting doubt on Republican voter suppression?
Just answer the question please.
53,000 suppressed votes in Georgia alone, and that's just one state where this goes on. Cumulatively with past elections, I have no doubt that it extends far beyond the thousands.
53,000 allegedly suppressed votes according to a lawsuit. Because Georgia passed the “exact match” law, which requires voter registration information to match driver’s licenses, state ID cards or Social Security records.
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What does that have to do with the right altering the political outcome with gerrymandering and voter suppression?
The left does the same exact thing and you don’t care, so stop making a this like you care about the act rather then who’s doing it.
While I do know of cases where Democrats have used gerrymandering, when have they ever suppressed anyone's vote? As I recall, it's been the Democrats who in recent history have been the champions of voter rights.
Just ask a Bernie Sanders supporter about why Democrats like to suppress voters.
As a matter of fact, I was one of those Bernie supporters. And as such I can tell you what those chicken heads at the DNC pulled was stupid and corrupt, but the fact remains that it hardly compares to the massive voter suppression schemes conducted by the GOP to steal their constitutionally guaranteed vote from millions of racial minorities and poor people.
How many millions according to the data gathered?
Are you casting doubt on Republican voter suppression?
Just answer the question please.
53,000 suppressed votes in Georgia alone, and that's just one state where this goes on. Cumulatively with past elections, I have no doubt that it extends far beyond the thousands.
53,000 allegedly suppressed votes according to a lawsuit. Because Georgia passed the “exact match” law, which requires voter registration information to match driver’s licenses, state ID cards or Social Security records.
And just by coincidence most of those voters denied their rights due to a lack of "exact match" just happen to be black?
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And just by coincidence most of those voters denied their rights due to a lack of "exact match" just happen to be black?
I'd have to see the data confirming that to be able to make a decision. When it comes to a law like that, what surprises me is that it hasn't already existed for a long time in all states, rather than coming to the conclusion there's a conspiracy behind it.

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And just by coincidence most of those voters denied their rights due to a lack of "exact match" just happen to be black?
I'd have to see the data confirming that to be able to make a decision. When it comes to a law like that, what surprises me is that it hasn't already existed for a long time in all states, rather than coming to the conclusion there's a conspiracy behind it.
Of course there's a conspiracy behind it. It's meant to weed out voters who are deemed as belonging to undesirable groups. That's why not every state has it.
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