VegetableMan wrote:
AspE wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
AspE wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
I think the Democrats are far more dangerous than the Republicans. With the Pubs, at least there's truth in advertising. They openly support neoliberalism. But the Dems are wolves in sheep's clothing. There is no difference between the two parties, any more. Eight years of Obama should have woken up liberals to that reality. He was actually worse than Bush.
You mean you've been scared of made up stories, while we can point to your words and deeds.
Nah, I leave the consumption of "made up stories" to those of your ilk, who walk lock-step with the left and corporate media. I prefer to think for myself. I can back up every damn I said if you'd like to have that conversation.
Fox News is a corporation.
Which party supports racists, and which party fires them?
Which party supports sexual harassment and which defends harassers?
Which party supports international treaties and cooperation, and which doesn't?
Which party believes in consensus views on science and which supports polluters?
Which party wants people to vote, and which believes in voter suppression?
The Dems say one thing, and do another. One the first two points, I'll give you a few points. Bu everything else is total bollocks. Especially the one claiming the Dems are cleaning up the environment. That is truly laughable.
This is where we begin the conversation about Obama being worse than Bush. The Bush administration saw a decline in oil production, while the Obama administration saw a record increase. And let's not forget when Hillary was SOS, she actively promoted fracking all around the globe. Yes, a very abysmal record when it come to protecting the environment.
Let's move on to foreign policy -- and this is a no-brainer. Obama took us from two to seven wars, essentially ramping up the foreign interventionist policy more than Bush could have imagined. Drone assassinations, repealing habeas corpus, ramped up the surveillance state.
That's enough for now. I'll let you catch your breath.
Not shocked at all. Republicans consistently support deregulation, especially of the fossil fuel industry and fracking. Democrats did support fracking, but not the evisceration of the EPA, or the rebirth of coal. I suppose they wanted to distance the US from Middle Eastern oil. Remember that basing troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War on the part of Bush Sr. was one of the stated reasons for the 9/11 attacks. Preparing our country for a post fossil fuel economy doesn't mean simply stopping the production of fossil fuels. We depend on it for our very survival. But ask any Republican if they are in favor of a slight increase in fuel efficiency standards, and they all say no. They say no to solar energy, wind energy, electric car subsidies, and consistently deny the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming. Trump also withdrew from the Paris Climate Agreements. I don't call their positions identical.
I'm rather proud of Obama's record on fighting terrorism, I like drone strikes on terrorists on the part of the CIA, it saves American troops (Trump lifted procedures in place to protect civilian life as much as possible). He wanted to close Guantanamo, but Republicans refused (Trump loves it). He ended torture (Trump supports torture). I understand the moral question of whether to treat enemy combatants as prisoners of war or just US prisoners, and I never said Democrats were perfect (I'm not a Democrat but rather a Democratic Socialist). But to say they are identical is laughable. Hell, Trump sent US troops to the Southern Border for purely political reasons, can you say posse comitatus? And by the way, speaking of privacy, who worked with Cambridge Analytica to allow all our facebook data to go to the Russians?
02 Feb 2019, 3:56 pm
