Sargon of Akkad and the Dirty Smear Merchants, Vegan Feminis

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Well, Sargon and the other YTubers went to UKIP, not the other way around. It might be a last gamble from a dying party, but it might still result in something interesting. And I don't think the idea was targeted at Joan, 57, from Hull, but rather hoping that at least some of Sargons 1.000.000 subscribers are actually in a position to vote for him. Seems to have paid off so far.

yeah, but Brexit is a poorly defined term. It is equivalent to Obama's "Hope and change". But the agreasiveness with which the empty signifier "Brexit" is pursued is worrying. To racists, it's about immigration, to lefties, it's about nationalizing stuff, to some, it's about less neoliberalism, to others, it's about further deregulation about financial markets.
Unless UKIP defines what "Brexit" means, they are promising whatever change one is hoping for. That's irresponsible, and driving British politics insane. And if people feel they are confused and insane, they become powerless and incapable of figuring out what's going on, while someone is making billions on shorting pound sterling.
That's what I find morally reprehensible about it.

also: yeah, this woman isn't actually capable of debating anyone. But when they all laugh at her when she says that what made the UK rich is raping and pillaging other countries, she's right. He's also right to say that it's capitalism and free markets. I don't see how they're exclusive.
It only shows that free markets are a great tool for delivering goods and creating wealth, but they are blind as to the means of how to achieve that, and with what goods.
After all, capitalism was invented by the dutch east india company, who created enormous amounts of wealth based on controlling (through very, very violent means) the market for nutmeg. totally worth the bloodshed, Imho.(that was sarcasm)

I'm having the impression Sargon is one more "classical liberal" who doesn't engage with the full history of ideas that got us to this moment. No?

Absolutely agree. It's beautiful to see the Tories tear themselves apart over it though having promised unicorns for everyone.

I hope Brexit ends the political duopoly, I think there is a reasonable chance of this happening.

It might actually bring about change - in the way that Obama's promise of empty signifcation brought about change, eventually. - an end to the politics of the radical centre.
It didn't really matter in the 90s and early 00s whether you voted democrat or republican, tory or labour, cdu or spd.
but now the numbers who feel represented by this radical centrism are waning.
Global Trumpism... I am just afraid that running on an anti-PC platform doesn't lead to a very thoughtful economic policy. And I'm interested in material circumstances.

After all, what is freedom worth?
A lot, but nothing if it's so inaffordable that it's for ever out of reach.

s**t, I think that should become an aphorism.

Gosh, where to begin?

Let's start with UKIP. Yes, it's a different party under Batten to under Farage. It's worse in pretty much every way, from ideology and morality to effectiveness. Batten has deliberately and openly aligned the party with the very hate groups Farage kept desperately trying to disassociate the party from, such as the English Defence League. Their vote share has absolutely collapsed, they've lost all their figures anyone was prepared to speak positively about (Carswell, Wolfe, Evans, etc.), and they struggle to find people prepared to stand for them. Under Farage they had some plausible distance between themselves and literal Nazis, under Batten they don't. Farage left because they'd moved too far to the right - this is a man who complains when people don't speak English and [url=https://unelettrepasrecue.com/2016/06/19/horrified-by-the-similarities-with-the-nazi-propaganda-ukips-brexit-refugee-poster-bears-extraordinary-similarity-to-nazi-propaganda-film/}has white people edited out of his anti-immigrant propaganda.[/url]

On parties who want to deliver Brexit: there are seven parties who have a chance of getting candidates elected in England in the European Elections. Two, UKIP and Brexit, are unitedly pro-Brexit. Three, the Lib Dems, the Greens, and Change UK, are pretty united pro-Europe (there are Eurosceptics in the Lib Dems but they don't have much power). Two, Labour and the Conservatives, are officially pro-Brexit and have repeatedly whipped in favour of it in Parliament, and in the Conservatives case very strongly so, but do have a few notable divisions on the issue. So there are four parties that an English Eurosceptic could reasonably vote for.

On Sargon of Akkad, he's called people "white n*****s", he blamed social justice for the Alta Vista murders, he has said "I'm sorry about the Holocaust but I don't give a s**t", he's sent rape threats to politicians, he's a 9/11 truth, he believes cultural Marxism is taking over the world, he's defended Harvey Weinstein, he thinks women in politics are causing societal decline, he's endorsed Marine le Pen, Donald Trump, and Jair Bolansaro, and he thinks Black Lives Matter is a black supremacist movement that wants to kill police officers.

It would seem extraordinarily generous to take all those public statements and conclude that this is merely someone who is routinely extremely careless with how they speak rather than actually believing what they say or even intending to portray themselves as believing what they say. It seems much more likely that the guy is genuinely a racist and a misogynist rather than someone who keeps accidentally saying racist and misogynistic things. And even in the best case scenario, somebody who speaks so carelessly that they routinely unintentionally convey the opposite of what they believe should be nowhere near public office. Fortunately, as UKIP are currently polling at around 4% for these elections, and would probably need over 20% for Benjamin to have a chance of getting elected, there is very little chance of him achieving that.

Sargon didn't make rape threats though, he said he wouldn't rape her. It was stupid and he shouldn't have said it but its not a rape threat.

Who are these literal Nazis in UKIP?

If Sargon was a racist he wouldn't be claiming to be mixed race, he wouldn't be constantly arguing with the Alt Right.

Black lives matter do chant "Cops in blankets, fry them like Bacon" which does sound like a call to murder police officers to me.

A rare moment where we can agree I think!

Geez, the media have really got to you, haven't they. Let's do these one at a time.

Not quite. He told them they're acting like white n****rs. And he was using those people's views, their framework of the World, against them in an effort to shame them. To knock them off their pedestals and show them up.

Not specifically. He was saying you take people's options away and stamp down on them, don't be surprised when they lash out. This is about managing fringe elements of society. You shove a stick into a hornets nest, what do you think will happen? These SJW type movements are doing that, and it's dangerous and doesn't need to be done. Give these elements of society peaceful outlets for their frustration and don't antagonize them. It's far better than the alternative.

Yes, he did. Super blunt, but probably the default position for most people. Bad thing happened. Acknowledge it was bad. Go on with life without thinking about it.

He sent the exact opposite of a rape threat.

Not sure what that means, but I'd be very surprised if his views on 9/11 were different from the accepted views.

It is. Western World anyway, slowly.

I know of no such instance, but I definitely remember him trashing Weinstein.

You'll have to elaborate on that one. There's a lot of women in politics who the World would be better off if they weren't, but I'm sure he has no problem with women getting into politics.

I don't know if he did or didn't.

Yes he does, but he has bad things to say about Trump too.

Is that the guy who did the I wouldn't even rape you thing in Brazil? If so I remember Sargon bringing that up, but that's it, and just as a "you think what I did is bad? Well..."

It is. And while they might not necessarily want to kill police, they do want police to cease to exist, and to fill that power vacuum.

Dirty dirty smear merchant debunks:

That last line, it reminds me of something I came close to making a thread here on that Sargon said. We should be able to look back with pride on a history of conquest. We means anyone who had one. Specifically though he was talking about the Muslim conquest of Spain and the reconquista. That both the Muslims and the Spanish should be able to look back on what was achieved then with pride, and that today it could foster mutual respect. So I'd certainly be interested in people's take on that outlook as I'm unsure how I feel about it. In this video:

The media smearing will do damage in the short term for sure. But let's not forget that the smearing was going on before and would have continued with or without Sargon.

With Sargon though, if he can suck up a lot of public attention and then use that attention to get his views to the public and also expose the media for what they are...

I don't know if he can, but he's more capable than others to push back against it. He might also serve as a lightning rod to keep them off others. So I'm hoping long term he'll prevail. Trump is in the White House despite constant, unrelenting media hostility...

Who these days cannot be cynical and skeptical about what is said in the media?
How naive does one have to be not to employ critical thinking before creating an opinion?

Time to dust off the old adage: "Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear..."

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Or maybe we should all read 'guns germs and steel' and realize how contingent it was that europe made the technical advances it did and how important geography and sheer luck was that the smallpox did the conquering for us.

I find the idea of being proud of what people who lived in the country I live in did hundreds of years ago highly problematic. But I livr in Germany, and here, history means acknowledging the dark bits openly.
Sargon is in the UK, where I studied, and oh dear, they have not yet taken a responsible view of their former empire.
They relish the greatness, but of course they understand how violent it all was, and highly at odds with their own view of themselves as the veacon of civilization. But you won't find much of that in the museums. It's like there's a public version that shows only greatness, and a grumblingly acknowledged oral history, in which they admit the racism and bloodshed.

So when he speaks of muslims and spaniards, I can't ignore that he's British, argueing to be allowed to take pride in an empire as huge and efficiently genocidal as no other in the history of mankind.

I recently read a book on the history of asia in the 19th and early 20th century. All the turmoil there now, from egypt to afghanistan, as well as communism in east asia, go back to thinkers and ideas of how to establish national self determination under the oppression of British power.
I really don't think it's a good idea to moralize and emotionalize history (any more than it already is).

Plus, what is to be gained from taking pride in conquest, other than the desire to take it up again?

I don't think the British need to do that though, as there's been a huge cultural shift. There's simply no appetite for having an empire or anything else that went with it. An even better example is Japan, with their warped narrative on the much more recent WW2. Japan has changed so much, I don't think it really matters. They're among the most peaceful people in the World now. It seems to me the desired changes have happened already, even if there's no direct reference to the past.

And this is where it gets interesting looking at Sargon's view here. We're not glorifying conquest, we're not encouraging it but at the same time we're respecting the people in the past by the standards of the past. i don't know what you mean about efficiently genocidal though. Surely that's the Mongols.

Don't know much of anything about Sargon of Akkad, but I love the phrase "dirty smear merchants" and I intend to start applying it to the media at every opportunity.