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08 May 2019, 4:18 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.

QFT.



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08 May 2019, 4:19 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.


I had *no* choice in the matter... 8O

auntblabby wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.

QFT.


What has Quantum field theory got to do with anything here?... 8O



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08 May 2019, 6:41 am

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Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.

That's the MGTOW vs FA and Incel dividing line.


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08 May 2019, 6:48 am

Pepe wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.


I had *no* choice in the matter... 8O

auntblabby wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.

QFT.


What has Quantum field theory got to do with anything here?... 8O

Quoted For Truth



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08 May 2019, 7:05 am

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Celibacy ensures:

No Alimony
No Child-Support
No Divorce
No STDs


I'm going to be picky and say all 4 are possible with celibacy


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08 May 2019, 7:19 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Just because less young men are having sex doesn't mean they're choosing to do so. Many of us have little say in the matter.

That's the MGTOW vs FA and Incel dividing line.



It's definitely getting into territory that is not allowed here , so I suggest everyone watch what they type if they want this thread to continue.


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08 May 2019, 7:28 am

INCELS



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08 May 2019, 7:37 am

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08 May 2019, 7:46 am

Since they say the world is over populated it's probably a good thing.



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08 May 2019, 8:03 am

Maybe this "New Celibacy" isn't so much about not having sex as it is about raising one's standards and being more selective regarding one's sexual partners.



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08 May 2019, 8:06 am

SaveFerris wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Celibacy ensures:

No Alimony
No Child-Support
No Divorce
No STDs
I'm going to be picky and say all 4 are possible with celibacy
Just because something may be possible, that does not mean that it is certain.



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08 May 2019, 9:24 am

Incels? Admitting there is a problem occurring which impacts males mostly is not an attack on women, it's simple pointing out possible causes to what some consider an issue. Biology, in many species weaker males do not get the women, no one asked for this, this is how we evolved. In countless species, males compete for the right to mate with females, the looser does not get the woman. Our evolved pattern of competition is most strongly linked to success and confidence, when a male lacks both of these traits, their chances of finding a woman dramatically reduces. It's only an average, as most things are, it dosen't sum up every individual case, it simply states that on average, males who lack success and confidence iteracting with females reduces their chances of forming a relationship with females. A lot of males living with their parents at age 30 clearly shows there is a lack of success as an average, not to count that there are studies which show that younger people, including females because they are people, are living with their parents still at ages 25 to 30. Males tend to care less about females success rates or lack of confidence, as biology predicts that on average a males seeks a partner capable of producing young. Attractiveness usually represents good genes, widened hips usually represents their ability to give birth easier, flushing cheeks represents youthful skin, large breasts represents fertility (that's the sign we instinctively associate that with even if it's incorrect). In men, we man have different receptors, or ways to instinctively be drawn to men, I remember seeing some studies which showed that a man's natural body oder can be a way of women instinctively sensing their genes, face structure also, our social abilities some biologists link to basically like an advanced bird song used to attract mates, success is link to capability of supporting. While our social construct has changed much since cave man days, these features aren't as dominate to insure a male can attract a mate, but on the other note they aren't completely removed either, that's what leads to....on average males who are less successful and less confident are less likely to attract a mate, on average biological evolution has not demanded women be successful providers with confidence. Understanding this does not generate incels, it doesn't mean women should offer themselves to unsuccessful men who lack confidence, it's simply a way to understand why things may be the way they are, with less men and women being successful in these days, it's harder for males to find mates yet not so much affecting females. As studies show that both males and females are still living with parents at ages 25 to 30(a lot more, not all of course), while studies also show that males are having less sex and relationships while females aren't. There is nothing "incel" about looking at the issue through the lense of biology, if you don't like how biology has evolved that's just tough s**t, it exists anyway.



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08 May 2019, 9:37 am

INCELS



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08 May 2019, 9:39 am

Forgot this one, lack of success among males can lead to lack of confidence, it's not saying it will for each individual case, but on average males will feel less confident approaching women if they lack success.



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08 May 2019, 9:41 am

Biscuitman wrote:
INCELS

Lack of understanding.

If you disagree, how about presenting a study which shows that females on average do not care if a male they wish to be with lacks success and confidence. ?



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08 May 2019, 9:54 am

Celibacy -- voluntary or otherwise -- is not a problem.