After the Boomers Are Gone, the Bloodshed Begins
Arevelion wrote:
The article linked by the op is absolute, fear-mongering, nonsense!
You look at the genetics of any human on earth and you will see he/she is a mix of more than one ethnic group or race. Take my son for instance. His blood line is a mix of Italian, French, German, Dutch, English, Scottish, Gypsy, and Abanaki Indian heritage.Take one of those heritages, lets say the Italian part, and you find that it in and of its self is formed from a mixing of Umbrians, Sabins, and Latins, all distinct ethnic groups at some point in history.
It is true that if a government pits two or more ethnic or racial groups against eachother they will fight, as was the case in the former Yugoslavia, Apartheid South Africa, Rwanda and here in the U.S. There's an easy solution though. Don't have the government pit people against eachother.
Long story short. Multiculturalism is the norm, not the exception.
By the way I don't know what baby boomers have to do with any of this.
You look at the genetics of any human on earth and you will see he/she is a mix of more than one ethnic group or race. Take my son for instance. His blood line is a mix of Italian, French, German, Dutch, English, Scottish, Gypsy, and Abanaki Indian heritage.Take one of those heritages, lets say the Italian part, and you find that it in and of its self is formed from a mixing of Umbrians, Sabins, and Latins, all distinct ethnic groups at some point in history.
It is true that if a government pits two or more ethnic or racial groups against eachother they will fight, as was the case in the former Yugoslavia, Apartheid South Africa, Rwanda and here in the U.S. There's an easy solution though. Don't have the government pit people against eachother.
Long story short. Multiculturalism is the norm, not the exception.
By the way I don't know what baby boomers have to do with any of this.
Good take on things, I look back on www.familysearch.org on Mom's side of the family, for the most part there, I'm Northern European, but I see some parts who sneaked in from Italy, the Balkans, Turkey and so on and when I go back way far, I start seeing names like Flavius in my family tree and so on. If that is the case, when I go back further, I see ancestors from even Carthage, the Middle East and Ethiopia. People did get around more than we think. I've also seen in that line when I go back to the 1200's, I come from a long line of German Rabbis. I know on Dad's side, I come from Serbia, Hungary, Russia, White Russia (Belarus) and Russian Jew. I'm a mess, I often joked that "if I applied my standards, I'd kick myself out of the country and what will be left will be snakes and grass."



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naturalplastic wrote:
Mom once said that "I am getting so sick of hearing about 'baby boomers'". Of course I was appalled, and had to inform her that both of her kids WERE/ARE boomers.
But in all fairness to everyone, including mom: folks don't realize how long a span of birth years is put under the rubric of the "baby boom". Many think that its just "the first five years after WWII", when in fact the 'baby boom" went from 1946 all of the way to 1964. In many families both the parents AND the children are considered "baby boomers". So it can be confusing.
The year my sister was born, 1959, had more births than any other year (before or since) in American history except 2007. It was the peak year of births in US until the end of the 20th century.
Interestingly the peak year for births for the WORLD until the end of the 20th Century was 1972 (not long after the US baby boom ended). World population continues to grow, but the number of births declined after that year.
But in all fairness to everyone, including mom: folks don't realize how long a span of birth years is put under the rubric of the "baby boom". Many think that its just "the first five years after WWII", when in fact the 'baby boom" went from 1946 all of the way to 1964. In many families both the parents AND the children are considered "baby boomers". So it can be confusing.
The year my sister was born, 1959, had more births than any other year (before or since) in American history except 2007. It was the peak year of births in US until the end of the 20th century.
Interestingly the peak year for births for the WORLD until the end of the 20th Century was 1972 (not long after the US baby boom ended). World population continues to grow, but the number of births declined after that year.
There is a theory that those who are born after 1954-1956 but before "Gen X" are a separate generation called Generation Jones
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Generation Jones is the social cohort of the latter half of the Baby boomers to the first years of Generation X. The term was first coined by the cultural commentator Jonathan Pontell, who identified the cohort as those born from 1954 to 1965 in the U.S. who came of age during the oil crisis, stagflation, and the Carter presidency, rather than during the 1960s, but slightly before Gen X.[ Other sources place the starting point at 1956 or 1957 Unlike older baby boomers, most of Generation Jones did not grow up with World War II veterans as fathers, and for them there was no compulsory military service and no defining political cause, as opposition to United States involvement in the Vietnam War had been for the older boomers.
The name "Generation Jones" has several connotations, including a large anonymous generation, a "keeping up with the Joneses" competitiveness and the slang word "jones" or "jonesing", meaning a yearning or craving. It is believed that Jonesers were given huge expectations as children in the 1960s, and then confronted with a different reality as they came of age during a long period of mass unemployment and when de-industrialization arrived full force in the mid-late 1970s and 1980s, leaving them with a certain unrequited "jonesing" quality for the more prosperous days of the past.
The name "Generation Jones" has several connotations, including a large anonymous generation, a "keeping up with the Joneses" competitiveness and the slang word "jones" or "jonesing", meaning a yearning or craving. It is believed that Jonesers were given huge expectations as children in the 1960s, and then confronted with a different reality as they came of age during a long period of mass unemployment and when de-industrialization arrived full force in the mid-late 1970s and 1980s, leaving them with a certain unrequited "jonesing" quality for the more prosperous days of the past.
I born in 1957. For an American context, I only partially buy into that theory.
Yes it is true we were children and thus too young to participate in all the protests and riots, and serve in Vietnam, scream for Beatlemania, hippie out at Woodstock. Watergate, Jimmy Carter, disco was going on when we were in high school and college. Our whole lives we have been the shadow of the 60's generation. There has never been any escape from hearing about the 60's generation's milestones, from yuppies to Clinton's election, to turning Sr. Citizens. If you want to understand the context of the original punk/new wave resentment of that is what it was originally about. While the audience for it was Gex the musicians were disaffected boomers.
OTOH as mentioned the height of the actual baby boom was around when we were born. Even though we were children we remember and were influenced by the assassinations, protests. In the 70s it was still "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll", dress down denim, long hair, supposedly "do anything you want to do", and "f**k authority". That is while I think we are the same generation, we are distinct sub-types. I call them "the Vietnam era boomers" and "Post-counterculture boomers". It is inconvincible that Progressive Rock and Heavy Metal could exist without Psychedelic/Acid Rock, similar to the disco hedonism and the Summer of Love and so on.
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Mom once said that "I am getting so sick of hearing about 'baby boomers'". Of course I was appalled, and had to inform her that both of her kids WERE/ARE boomers.
But in all fairness to everyone, including mom: folks don't realize how long a span of birth years is put under the rubric of the "baby boom". Many think that its just "the first five years after WWII", when in fact the 'baby boom" went from 1946 all of the way to 1964. In many families both the parents AND the children are considered "baby boomers". So it can be confusing.
The year my sister was born, 1959, had more births than any other year (before or since) in American history except 2007. It was the peak year of births in US until the end of the 20th century.
Interestingly the peak year for births for the WORLD until the end of the 20th Century was 1972 (not long after the US baby boom ended). World population continues to grow, but the number of births declined after that year.
But in all fairness to everyone, including mom: folks don't realize how long a span of birth years is put under the rubric of the "baby boom". Many think that its just "the first five years after WWII", when in fact the 'baby boom" went from 1946 all of the way to 1964. In many families both the parents AND the children are considered "baby boomers". So it can be confusing.
The year my sister was born, 1959, had more births than any other year (before or since) in American history except 2007. It was the peak year of births in US until the end of the 20th century.
Interestingly the peak year for births for the WORLD until the end of the 20th Century was 1972 (not long after the US baby boom ended). World population continues to grow, but the number of births declined after that year.
There is a theory that those who are born after 1954-1956 but before "Gen X" are a separate generation called Generation Jones
Quote:
Generation Jones is the social cohort of the latter half of the Baby boomers to the first years of Generation X. The term was first coined by the cultural commentator Jonathan Pontell, who identified the cohort as those born from 1954 to 1965 in the U.S. who came of age during the oil crisis, stagflation, and the Carter presidency, rather than during the 1960s, but slightly before Gen X.[ Other sources place the starting point at 1956 or 1957 Unlike older baby boomers, most of Generation Jones did not grow up with World War II veterans as fathers, and for them there was no compulsory military service and no defining political cause, as opposition to United States involvement in the Vietnam War had been for the older boomers.
The name "Generation Jones" has several connotations, including a large anonymous generation, a "keeping up with the Joneses" competitiveness and the slang word "jones" or "jonesing", meaning a yearning or craving. It is believed that Jonesers were given huge expectations as children in the 1960s, and then confronted with a different reality as they came of age during a long period of mass unemployment and when de-industrialization arrived full force in the mid-late 1970s and 1980s, leaving them with a certain unrequited "jonesing" quality for the more prosperous days of the past.
The name "Generation Jones" has several connotations, including a large anonymous generation, a "keeping up with the Joneses" competitiveness and the slang word "jones" or "jonesing", meaning a yearning or craving. It is believed that Jonesers were given huge expectations as children in the 1960s, and then confronted with a different reality as they came of age during a long period of mass unemployment and when de-industrialization arrived full force in the mid-late 1970s and 1980s, leaving them with a certain unrequited "jonesing" quality for the more prosperous days of the past.
I born in 1957. For an American context, I only partially buy into that theory.
Yes it is true we were children and thus too young to participate in all the protests and riots, and serve in Vietnam, scream for Beatlemania, hippie out at Woodstock. Watergate, Jimmy Carter, disco was going on when we were in high school and college. Our whole lives we have been the shadow of the 60's generation. There has never been any escape from hearing about the 60's generation's milestones, from yuppies to Clinton's election, to turning Sr. Citizens. If you want to understand the context of the original punk/new wave resentment of that is what it was originally about. While the audience for it was Gex the musicians were disaffected boomers.
OTOH as mentioned the height of the actual baby boom was around when we were born. Even though we were children we remember and were influenced by the assassinations, protests. In the 70s it was still "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll", dress down denim, long hair, supposedly "do anything you want to do", and "f**k authority". That is while I think we are the same generation, we are distinct sub-types. I call them "the Vietnam era boomers" and "Post-counterculture boomers". It is inconvincible that Progressive Rock and Heavy Metal could exist without Psychedelic/Acid Rock, similar to the disco hedonism and the Summer of Love and so on.
I was born in 1966, but I feel I'm a Joneser myself, a late model perhaps. Jonesers also have experienced the beginning of the loss of jobs that have been around in our grandfather's and father's time such as here in the Ohio Valley and Pittsburgh where I'm from, we saw the decline of the Steel and manufacturing industry. I remember we had Babcock and Wilcox, Koppers, J&L Steel, Mesta Machine and so on. I remember in the Pittsburgh area in the late 1970s and early 1980's, we had an activist group formed when the steel mills were going away called Denominational Ministerial Strategies (DMS) who protested the closings. DMS, a little trivia, was founded by the brother of the Actor David Soul (Starsky & Hutch), The Lutheran Reverend Daniel L. Soulberg. Maybe I'm just writing this from my limited area of perspective here, but I know many of the earlier Boomers were able to get those same jobs. In short the Jonesers are the first generation to experience a downturn in living standards and this is why many of us have a distrust of authority, the system, The Man if you will. One of my favorite films is the 1981 cartoon movie, "Heavy Metal," where I watched the making of it on the DVD and this is one of the films that was way out there and sort of going against society. Then as you go on, the X'er's followed with our cynicism.
I often said the 1970's were a fun time to be kid, teenager or young adult but if you had a family to support, it was becoming tough. I remember during the Iranian Crisis, we had odd and even days to get gas for the car and I spent a weekend at my paternal grandmother's place with my cousins. My cousins were able to go home to Columbus, OH but I was stranded for a week missing the first few days of 7th grade. The reason, Mom needed the gas in the car to go to work until she could come get me. Still, it was fun with grandma, helping in the garden, listening to shortwave a radio and the scanner as well as talking about the paranormal.