09 Jun 2019, 4:41 am
09 Jun 2019, 10:45 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Rammstein have commented on their leftist leanings in interviews, at this point it's just flat-out dishonest to insist they're Nazis.
<chuckle>
You have obviously misunderstood the thread's intent and its content.
I suggest you re-read the posts.
My understanding is that Rammstein is quite an old band.
During those years it is reasonable to assume their public position may have changed as a result of their transition from a struggling band to a worldwide sensation.
To be clear, I am a huge fan of Rammstein.
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Rammstein (German pronunciation: [ˈʁamʃtaɪn]) is a German Neue Deutsche Härte band formed in Berlin in 1994. Their six-man lineup—lead vocalist Till Lindemann, lead guitarist Richard Z. Kruspe, rhythm guitarist Paul Landers, bassist Oliver Riedel, drummer Christoph Schneider, and keyboardist Christian "Flake" Lorenz—has remained unchanged throughout their existence. Prior to their formation, some members were associated with acts such as Feeling B and First Arsch.
After winning a contest for amateur bands, Rammstein were able to record demos and send them to different record labels; they were eventually signed by Motor Music. Working with producer Jacob Hellner, they released their debut album Herzeleid in 1995. Though the album sold poorly, the band gained popularity through their live performances. Their rise led to the release of their second album, Sehnsucht, two years later. It debuted at No. 1 in Germany, resulted in a worldwide tour lasting nearly four years, and spawned the successful singles "Engel" and "Du hast" as well as the live album Live aus Berlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein
After winning a contest for amateur bands, Rammstein were able to record demos and send them to different record labels; they were eventually signed by Motor Music. Working with producer Jacob Hellner, they released their debut album Herzeleid in 1995. Though the album sold poorly, the band gained popularity through their live performances. Their rise led to the release of their second album, Sehnsucht, two years later. It debuted at No. 1 in Germany, resulted in a worldwide tour lasting nearly four years, and spawned the successful singles "Engel" and "Du hast" as well as the live album Live aus Berlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein
I'm not responding directly to you, just the general idea that they're nationalists.
Oh, I see where you are coming from now.
To be clear to others:
I started the thread.
My intention was to poo-poo the idea that they had an affinity with neo-Nazism.
I am expressly saying they are not fascist.
To the contrary, they are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
Pax.
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09 Jun 2019, 11:02 pm
Big fan of Rammstein
Not a native German speaker but understood Du Hast does play on words to appear like one of Hitler's speeches in order to ridicule the blind groupthink that is symptomatic of neo-Nazis
Neo-Nazis are dumb "facks", members of the alt-right were using Taylor Swift's music as examples of pure white American music until she performed/recorded "Shake it Off" and threw support behind the Democrats 
09 Jun 2019, 11:12 pm
Rammstein video furore: Far-right clickbait or anti-fascist art?
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The full video to Rammstein's new single "Deutschland," the first in a decade, is for some a cinematic journey through the history of violence and fascism in "Germania"; for others, it's merely tasteless exploitation. https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
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Culture commentator Daniel Hornuff, writing on the website of the German weekly Die Zeit, notes that the concentration camp scene is accompanied by the lyrics "Germany, my love I cannot give you" and shouldn't be confused with nationalist sentiment — something the band was accused of when it used footage from Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl's film Olympia for its 1998 single "Stripped."
Here they reject fascism.
Instead, this latest clip seems to continue a pattern of provocation as the concentration camp henchmen are finally rounded up and shot by the prisoners. Here, Till Lindemann sings "Germany, my heart in flames, I want to love and condemn you" ("Deutschland, mein Herz in Flammen, will dich lieben und verdammen"). https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
Here they reject fascism.
Instead, this latest clip seems to continue a pattern of provocation as the concentration camp henchmen are finally rounded up and shot by the prisoners. Here, Till Lindemann sings "Germany, my heart in flames, I want to love and condemn you" ("Deutschland, mein Herz in Flammen, will dich lieben und verdammen"). https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
Always provocative.
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According to journalist and media expert Joachim Trebbe of the Freie University of Berlin, the "Deutschland" clip continues with an aesthetic that has marked the band for over 20 years. He refers to the "gray, mystical, sad and scary" ambiance that is often associated with 1930s National Socialism — though the band rejects claims that it is appealing to far-right elements, saying its politics are left-leaning — that is repeated throughout much of the band's imagery. https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
Yes, ironically the band is politically left wing.
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Nonetheless, some commentators claim that the Nazi aesthetic will appeal to the band's growing contingent of far-right fans. "Rammstein are a left-wing band that has many right-wing fans. They are adored by Russian neo-Nazis," writes Peter Huth in the national daily, Die Welt. https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
Yes, Rammstein is popular with the alt.right.
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Stopping short of accusing the band of encouraging its neo-Nazi disciples, he says Rammstein in this instance has preferred releasing "clickbait" to taking "political responsibility." https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
I tend to agree.
Impartially speaking, the band is very exploitative, imo
Anything goes to maintain their infamous money-raking entrepreneurial endeavours, so it seems.
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The band with East German origins, and who grew up in the shadow of the Berlin Wall, have not yet responded to the outrage that has been stirred in Germany and beyond.
09 Jun 2019, 11:17 pm
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"Deutschland" (German for "Germany") is a song by German Neue Deutsche Härte band Rammstein. It was released as the lead single from the band's untitled seventh studio album on 28 March 2019. It was their first piece of new music released since "Mein Land" in 2011. "Deutschland" became Rammstein's second number-one single in Germany after "p****" in 2009.[1] It was also a number-one hit in Hungary and Switzerland and reached the top 5 in Austria and Finland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland_(song)
Guess who is going to ebay now?
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12 Jun 2019, 7:08 am
cyberdad wrote:
Ahhh I see what Pepe is trying to defend....
https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
Some commentators claim that the Nazi aesthetic will appeal to the band's growing contingent of far-right fans. "Rammstein are a left-wing band that has many right-wing fans. They are adored by Russian neo-Nazis," writes Peter Huth in the national daily, Die Welt.
Rammstein are the pioneering band of the hard rock genre known as Neue Deutsche Härte ("New German Hardness"); even the term for the music genre "reads like the title of a photo book by Leni Riefenstahl," says Huth. Stopping short of accusing the band of encouraging its neo-Nazi disciples, he says Rammstein in this instance has preferred releasing "clickbait" to taking "political responsibility."
I know there's a number of metal bands adored by the far right but that's incidental rather than deliberate intent. For example the band who play the theme music to popular TV series "Vikings" "Wardruna" have become very popular with neo-Nazi skinheads. Wardruna are legitimate artists though and their music is very culturally beautiful.
https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-video-f ... a-48116921
Some commentators claim that the Nazi aesthetic will appeal to the band's growing contingent of far-right fans. "Rammstein are a left-wing band that has many right-wing fans. They are adored by Russian neo-Nazis," writes Peter Huth in the national daily, Die Welt.
Rammstein are the pioneering band of the hard rock genre known as Neue Deutsche Härte ("New German Hardness"); even the term for the music genre "reads like the title of a photo book by Leni Riefenstahl," says Huth. Stopping short of accusing the band of encouraging its neo-Nazi disciples, he says Rammstein in this instance has preferred releasing "clickbait" to taking "political responsibility."
I know there's a number of metal bands adored by the far right but that's incidental rather than deliberate intent. For example the band who play the theme music to popular TV series "Vikings" "Wardruna" have become very popular with neo-Nazi skinheads. Wardruna are legitimate artists though and their music is very culturally beautiful.
Strange terminology.
I am not trying to defend anything in regards to the original wording intent.
What I am saying about the original German lyrics is axiomatic.
I am mostly simply pointing out the facts.
I am also hypothesising about the band's motivations.
Others have independently come to the same conclusion. <shrug>
12 Jun 2019, 7:17 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
I am not sure what people who think Rammstein are nazis have inside their skull place of a brain. I simply cannot figure it out, perhaps sh*t but IDK.
It's head-banging heavy metal (Neue Deutsche Härte ("New German Hardness"))
And the original "Du Hast" was in German.
What else does a neo-Nazi need?
Most aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
