27 Jun 2019, 7:56 pm
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Americans are suposedly supposed to take pride in their country AND trust in God (we are a dominantly Christian country).
...isn't pride one of the deadly sins? Just sayin.
...isn't pride one of the deadly sins? Just sayin.
Not just Americans. I was born in Russia and came to US at 14, so I know both countries. In Russia the Russian patriotism is also very much linked to the cross. So when you have a conflict between Russia and US, it's quite ironic since each side thinks they are fighting in the name of Christ.
I find it ironic how the Christians, Muslims, and Jewish are often killing each other in wars when technically they all believe in the same God. They just have different rules that define what "God" is.
Well, I guess in this case they are making a case that the other religions are wrong and why. But in case of Russia vs America they can't do it since they are both Christians. Well, I guess they "could": in particular, Russia are Orthodox and Americans are Protestant. But they don't bother bringing this up. Instead, they are just "forgetting" that the other side is Christian altogether. And thats what I find quite puzzling.
That's another good point. Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox are all Christians but they disagree about their beliefs and have been killing each other for centuries too,
One has to ask himself: Why?
Well, at least during the Protestant Reformation they were explicit about why: protestants were pointing false beliefs of Catholics and vice versa. I just wish it was as open and honest as it used to be. If Americans were say "lets go after Orthodox, Russians are Orthodox they are our enemies" or if Russians were to say "Lets go after Protestants, Americans are Protestants, they are our enemies", I would have said "great". But they aren't saying it. Not at all. Rather, Americans are saying "Christian America" -- thus forgetting that Christianity even existed anywhere else -- and Russians are saying "Christian Russia" -- again forgetting Christianity existed anywhere else. But why are they forgetting so much? Did they truly not hear anything? Are they assuming Jesus was born in Russia or in America respectively? If they know that Christianity exists at places outside their respective countries -- why not openly acknowledge it, and then address it by explaining why that other form of Christianity wrong -- just like it was done during Protestant reformation? You see, I am Christian myself, and I enjoy a good debate. But all this evasiveness and forgetfulness is what drives me crazy.
I don't think I should speak for Russia, but as an American myself I can honestly say I've noticed we are a very "ethnocentric" nation. Americans tend to think everything in the world is about them and their own beliefs because of their big inflated egos and their materialistic self-focused culture that borders on narcissism.
Well, I agree with HALF of what you just said. But then there is the other half that Americans think they are the most racist nation in the world -- which isn't true either. I think its more about lack of education rather than inflated ego. If you weren't taught in school about any countries other than US, then OF COURSE both everything good and everything bad will be about US, cause you don't know any better.
One thing quite telling is that, in Russia, they learn world history every single grade, and they learn Russian history in parallel to world history. But in America they only do one year of world history (the 9-th grade) and American history all four years of high school (well I don't know about grades 1-8 since I came to the US when I started high school). Also Russian maps draw the whole world but in US you have a lot of maps that draw just the US. I think that is the reason behind all that, or at least a big part of it.
I think you're right, American education isn't that great. I heard we are behind other developed countries.
I guess in a way we border more on being isolationists?
Well, if they were isolationists they won't be starting all those wars. But then again, if you look at some patriotic groups within US they are opposed to wars for that exact reason -- they are citing American forefathers that talk about "no foreign entanglements". But then there are other groups of Americans that do want wars. So it is quite ironic about the way some Americans want wars, yet they don't even know where to locate on the map the countries they want to fight.
I think we pretty much were isolationists up until World War 2 happened and we became a world superpower.
Now we're an empire causing senseless messes in developing countries. It doesn't feel right to me... maybe I'm an isolationist too? Frankly I do believe we need to concentrate on our own country and quit bullying the third world around.
27 Jun 2019, 8:04 pm
27 Jun 2019, 8:26 pm
Fnord wrote:
Gentlemen, these nested quotes make them hard to read.
Sorry. I promise I'll stop. It's turned into a bad habit for me.
29 Jun 2019, 6:04 am
