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01 Aug 2019, 2:26 pm

I've never personally been impersonated online, but I saw it happen frequently many years ago the CE forum in the ICQ community. (Anybody remember that community?) That was the vilest place I ever frequented, and was pretty much moderator-free.


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01 Aug 2019, 2:30 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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By using the same name you use and putting in the same sex, age, location and email address.


You mean all those things that would be nowhere to be found on an anonymous board? You also seem to be confusing anonymous and pseudonymous.



No, they were pretending to be me and some people actually thought they were me but others knew that person wasn't me.

You obviously have not seen anyone impersonate other users.



What exactly is it that you are not understanding?

Allow me to illustrate. This is how an exchange where a person is impersonating another person might look on a pseudonymous board such as Wrong Planet:

League_Gírl: lookit me, I'm League_Girl! (note the ´over the i, an old trick.)

AdudeNamedJoe: Oh, hi League_Girl!

League_Girl: That's not me!

CrappyUsername: "OMG there's two of them!"


Now, on an anonymous board, this would look something like this:


Anonymous: Hello people

Anonymous: Sup?

Anonymous: I'm the first guy, and I smell like farts

Anonymous: You're not me!

Anonymous: How can you tell?

Anonymous: s**t.


At no point did I say impersonation online doesn't happen, but I'm talking about anonymous boards here.


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01 Aug 2019, 3:07 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
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Wolfram87 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
By using the same name you use and putting in the same sex, age, location and email address.


You mean all those things that would be nowhere to be found on an anonymous board? You also seem to be confusing anonymous and pseudonymous.



No, they were pretending to be me and some people actually thought they were me but others knew that person wasn't me.

You obviously have not seen anyone impersonate other users.



What exactly is it that you are not understanding?

Allow me to illustrate. This is how an exchange where a person is impersonating another person might look on a pseudonymous board such as Wrong Planet:

League_Gírl: lookit me, I'm League_Girl! (note the ´over the i, an old trick.)

AdudeNamedJoe: Oh, hi League_Girl!

League_Girl: That's not me!

CrappyUsername: "OMG there's two of them!"


Now, on an anonymous board, this would look something like this:


Anonymous: Hello people

Anonymous: Sup?

Anonymous: I'm the first guy, and I smell like farts

Anonymous: You're not me!

Anonymous: How can you tell?

Anonymous: s**t.


At no point did I say impersonation online doesn't happen, but I'm talking about anonymous boards here.



What are you not understanding? This happened to me on an anonymous board which was Bravenet where you could put in any name or just leave it blank which would mark your post as anonymous just like you can on 4chan or 8ch.net. Someone decided to start impersonating me and posting very nasty stuff and that person didn't stop until my online friends started calling them out telling them they are impersonating me and they stopped. This went on for 2 months.

This is the problem of allowing anyone to post online without making them register and picking a username. Can impersonations still happen on boards that force you to register before you can post anything, sure. I was just saying it's harder to do on a forum that forces you to register. But it's a hell lot easier to do on an anonymous board like 4chan and 8ch.net where you don't need to register and you can post under any name you want. Someone can use League Girl on there and another person can post as that exact same name. Here they would need to put in a extra letter or leave out the underscore or something and make it be leaguegirl or league_girl3738 because forums do not allow the exact same usernames. The mods would catch on fast it's an impersonator as would anyone else.

And you are telling me this isn't possible and that I am confused?


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01 Aug 2019, 3:08 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
I've never personally been impersonated online, but I saw it happen frequently many years ago the CE forum in the ICQ community. (Anybody remember that community?) That was the vilest place I ever frequented, and was pretty much moderator-free.



I've been impersonated on intensitysquared but I have impersonated other users there too. But everyone knew we were not those people lol. It was quite a normal thing to do there.


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01 Aug 2019, 3:23 pm

League_Girl wrote:


What are you not understanding? This happened to me on an anonymous board which was Bravenet where you could put in any name or just leave it blank which would mark your post as anonymous just like you can on 4chan or 8ch.net. Someone decided to start impersonating me and posting very nasty stuff and that person didn't stop until my online friends started calling them out telling them they are impersonating me and they stopped. This went on for 2 months.


And that's terrible. But you're describing something that's not actually anonymous, precisely because they allowed the input of a name, even if it was optional. which then allowed for the impersonation, because apparently you can also change the name at will, which is just sloppy board design.


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This is the problem of allowing anyone to post online without making them register and picking a username. Can impersonations still happen on boards that force you to register before you can post anything, sure. I was just saying it's harder to do on a forum that forces you to register. Someone can use League Girl on there and another person can post as that exact same name. Here they would need to put in a extra letter or leave out the underscore or something and make it be leaguegirl or league_girl3738 because forums do not allow the exact same usernames. The mods would catch on fast it's an impersonator as would anyone else.


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And you are telling me this isn't possible and that I am confused?


Yes. On 4chan an 8ch you can't "post under any name you want". Your name will be Anonymous, and so will everyone elses.


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01 Aug 2019, 8:40 pm

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Anonymity has it's downsides, sure. But I wouldn't call it a breeding ground so much as a watering hole. You don't go to 4chan and suddenly come out as one of these people. But it is true that horrible people are drawn in by the promise of anonymous assholery. But the "hurr durr ironic/parody/sarcasm"- excuse is hardly a new one: there are people seriously arguing that the SCUM-manifesto is a "brilliant, cutting satirical work" even after Solanas shot three people and said to read her manifesto to understand why.

As for "owning the libs", the favourite target changes from time to time. Around 2010 or so it was the fundies.

And you should probably cut it out with the pseudo-psychoanalysis. It's not insightful, and only provides insinuations.


Well, it's the fact that you don't really get a coherent worldview out of the people who love the "ironic" Nazi/misogyny stuff and are fixated on "owning the libs". So what is motivating them must be uncovered underneath. Either they're a bunch of nihilists, or they want to own the libs because they hate those groups and it's the libs who defend those groups the most vigorously. Sorry, I had forgotten to include that point in the logic, which came from the Innuendo Studios video I posted called "The Card Says Moops", which is a reference to a Seinfeld episode where there was a guy in a bubble and one of the characters, George, hates the guy in the bubble. When they were playing Trivial Pursuit and came to the question where George asked Bubble Boy who conquered Spain in the 8th century, Bubble Boy gave the historically accurate answer of "Moors". But the answer was misprinted on the card George was holding as "Moops", which George took full advantage of to lord it over Bubble Boy.


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