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05 Aug 2019, 4:46 pm

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I've just had a quick look at earlier posts about Julian and i love how opinions of him are so divided. Bottom line is whether what he has done is right or wrong. A characteristic of Aspergers is black and white thinking. Hmm. I am interested in Julian's Aspergian characteristics one of which is a strong sense of social justice. Tick! Is it fair that he is being punished simply for being Aspergian? I know this is a very simplistic take on the situation. But i feel sorry for the bloke. He is just being Aspergian in my eyes.
He is not being punished for being aspergian. He is guilty of breaching the UK Bail Act 1976. He is accused of rape in Sweden. He also aided and abetted the activities of that traitor Manning in America.

Whether or not he is "Aspergian" is irrelevant. Asperger's Syndrome is neither a prosecutable offense nor a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card. Julian Assange is a criminal who outlasted his welcome at the Ecuadorian embassy, where he was hiding from prosecutions for crimes he knows he committed -- a cowardly act in itself.

Julian Assange is a most worthless piece of work if I have ever seen one.

Well said.

When he hid I still had some naive support for Wikileaks. Now I don't really. Their failure to responsibly redact the documents that Chelsea Manning sent them endangered lives and led to her imprisonment. Meanwhile Assange hid from the rape charges that would probably have led to him spending several years in prison, and actively spread misinformation in an attempt to influence the US Presidential Election.

The world is probably a better place as a result of Manning's leaks but I really wish she'd sent them to the Guardian or the New York Times or any journalist really, not that criminal Assange.


The Guardian are now one of the main culprits of publishing fake stories about Russia and Assange. New York Times? Are you actually joking? :lol:


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05 Aug 2019, 4:47 pm

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How would she know that those papers would run it ?
That's exactly what papers DO! Manning new exactly what the papers would do with the stolen information. How could anyone be so naive as to think otherwise?

:roll: DUH!


OH the irony!! !!


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05 Aug 2019, 4:48 pm

If the mainstream rags did their jobs and weren't just parrots for the war machine we wouldn't need whistleblowers like Manning and publishing sites like Wikileaks.

The Nazis sure would have hated Wikileaks and Assange.


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05 Aug 2019, 4:52 pm

Amazing how certain people get away with launching endless personal attacks.


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05 Aug 2019, 4:54 pm

America covering up shooting journalists and raping children is something we are meant to admire eh?


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05 Aug 2019, 4:54 pm

Assange and Manning are criminals. Plain and simple. What Manning did against America was treasonous. What Assange did against America was journalistic terrorism. Both deserve life in prison, at the very least.


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05 Aug 2019, 4:59 pm

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As I'm involved in the discussion I will not take any formal action at this stage in order to prevent any perception of bias.

However, regardless, please avoid:

- Personal attacks
- Justifying rape

This is a heated topic where users have strong opinions and I think it's important for us to consider why people might have different views before responding in anger.



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05 Aug 2019, 5:02 pm

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Assange and Manning are criminals. Plain and simple. What Manning did against America was treasonous. What Assange did against America was journalistic terrorism. Both deserve life in prison, at the very least.


Sounds very Nazi like. The people exposing the evil must be punished eh.


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05 Aug 2019, 5:54 pm

Assange and Manning are heroes in my eyes and are risking their lives to promote world peace through spreading truth. I very much appreciate them.



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05 Aug 2019, 6:32 pm

I am so sorry that my initial post about Julian Assange started World War III. My profuse apologies to all concerned and peace be with you. Please forgive my Aspergian childlike naivity. As i said i am interested in what appear to me to be his Aspergian traits not what he has done or failed to do. It is not about moral or ethical issues or the pros and cons of his behaviour. I guess what i am saying is that i empathsise with him because i seem programmed to fight social justice battles. I too have gotten myself into hot water as a result. Twice i have done it in my own backyard, once in the workplace and the other in a retirement village where i lived. In hindsight a really stupid thing to do that put me in dangerous situations when refuge in a foreign embassy would have been most welcome. :roll:



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05 Aug 2019, 6:41 pm

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I am so sorry that my initial post about Julian Assange started World War III. My profuse apologies to all concerned and peace be with you. Please forgive my Aspergian childlike naivity. As i said i am interested in what appear to me to be his Aspergian traits not what he has done or failed to do. It is not about moral or ethical issues or the pros and cons of his behaviour. I guess what i am saying is that i empathsise with him because i seem programmed to fight social justice battles. I too have gotten myself into hot water as a result. Twice i have done it in my own backyard, once in the workplace and the other in a retirement village where i lived. In hindsight a really stupid thing to do that put me in dangerous situations when refuge in a foreign embassy would have been most welcome. :roll:


No apologies needed. You did nothing wrong.


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05 Aug 2019, 6:55 pm

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I am so sorry that my initial post about Julian Assange started World War III. My profuse apologies to all concerned and peace be with you. Please forgive my Aspergian childlike naivity. As i said i am interested in what appear to me to be his Aspergian traits not what he has done or failed to do. It is not about moral or ethical issues or the pros and cons of his behaviour. I guess what i am saying is that i empathsise with him because i seem programmed to fight social justice battles. I too have gotten myself into hot water as a result. Twice i have done it in my own backyard, once in the workplace and the other in a retirement village where i lived. In hindsight a really stupid thing to do that put me in dangerous situations when refuge in a foreign embassy would have been most welcome. :roll:


I would embrace your actions of self-risk in your quest for spreading truth and what's right, but that's me. :)



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05 Aug 2019, 8:01 pm

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I would embrace your actions of self-risk in your quest for spreading truth and what's right, but that's me.
As long as the truth continues to be Assange is a criminal and Manning is a traitor, and what's right continues to be to lock them both up for life, then I'm with you all the way!


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05 Aug 2019, 10:06 pm

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I would embrace your actions of self-risk in your quest for spreading truth and what's right, but that's me.
As long as the truth continues to be Assange is a criminal and Manning is a traitor, and what's right continues to be to lock them both up for life, then I'm with you all the way!

That doesn’t reflect my position on the truth but to each his/her own I guess...



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06 Aug 2019, 2:49 am

All sides here are entitled to their opinion being respected. Please stay on topic. It is true there have been multiple topics on the subject, but what the OP intended was to discuss the probability of Julian Assange's being on the spectrum, not whether or not he committed criminal acts.

I request JohnPowell and Fnord to discuss the issue reasonably and not derail thread to avoid it being locked. Personal attacks and off topic posts may be removed at our discretion. We are not taking sides here.


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06 Aug 2019, 8:09 am

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... what the OP intended was to discuss the probability of Julian Assange's being on the spectrum, not whether or not he committed criminal acts...
He's too social to be on the spectrum -- too adept at social manipulation. He easily manipulates people into sympathizing with his "cause". He's more of a narcissistic sociopath than an ordinary autistic person, in my opinion.


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