Monopoly Goes Feminist, The Word "Guys" Marginalizes Women??

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17 Sep 2019, 9:26 am

Monopoly is one of those rare games I didn't even enjoy as a kid. It's boring. It sucks. I have no idea why anyone would willingly buy or play any version of the game.


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17 Sep 2019, 9:44 am

Redpaws wrote:
... I have no idea why anyone would willingly buy or play any version of the game.
Because it is not only important to win, but to utterly crush your opponents one-by-one. For some people, that is incredibly enjoyable.


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17 Sep 2019, 10:32 am

Fnord wrote:
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... I have no idea why anyone would willingly buy or play any version of the game.
Because it is not only important to win, but to utterly crush your opponents one-by-one. For some people, that is incredibly enjoyable.

Monopoly is my favourite board game. But I don't enjoy crushing people, I enjoy a challenge.

I do remember suffering a brutal defeat when I was but a few years old. I was in a strong position, and then I landed on my grandma's hotelled Trafalgar Square and I was eliminated, just like that, in one stroke. I was too young and emotionally immature to handle this sudden crushing and instant reversal of fortune and I was inconsolable and I just cried and cried. But to my credit, when she offered to pretend it never happened and let me continue the game, I refused the offer and eventually pulled myself together. I was not upset because I lost, it was just how it happened, how I went straight from being happy and excited to being out of my favourite game in the blink of an eye. It didn't stop it being my favourite game. I liked being the banker as well, even very young, I could do the math.



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17 Sep 2019, 11:30 am

I do fondly remember playing Monopoply at Christmas with my family, while getting quite tight on the overabundance of alcohol available.


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17 Sep 2019, 2:05 pm

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It beggars belief that someone could look at this and not realise it is a badly-done parody of feminism.

In the last year or so Monopoly has been aiming itself directly at the sorts of reactionaries who think this is "feminism gone too far". Look at "Monopoly for Millennials" and "Monopoly for Socialists" as similar examples of this, aimed at elderly conservatives who don't know the first thing about young people, socialism, or feminism.

It's not, unfortunately.

OK, I revise my view to "this was clearly designed to generate outrage and publicity rather than sincere sales".
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It beggars belief that someone could look at this and not realise it is a badly-done parody of feminism.

In the last year or so Monopoly has been aiming itself directly at the sorts of reactionaries who think this is "feminism gone too far". Look at "Monopoly for Millennials" and "Monopoly for Socialists" as similar examples of this, aimed at elderly conservatives who don't know the first thing about young people, socialism, or feminism.


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Generalised attack: "conservatives are idiots"
Fair description: "this game is marketed at people who don't know anything about the subject"



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18 Sep 2019, 1:56 pm

So much wrong, so little time. The creators of Monopoly ripped off the board game idea from a feminist activist named Lizzy Magie. If this is a real news story, and not some racist, homophobic, misogynist edge lord's idea of a Joke, or even if not, we should create a board game called Polyopoly.

It uses the original rules of Lizzie Magie where you can go socialist and then the proceeds from rent (which is economic extraction, in case you were unaware, cf. Henry George) get's distributed to everyone at the end of each round. No one goes broke, no one attains a monopoly.

Proceeds from sales of Polyopoly go to paying a law firm whose purpose is to find material to sue Parker Bros. and Hasbro for. I am sure there is some conservative asswipe out there to sue if the other two Corps come up too clean. Or if that doesn't fit, let the proceeds go to fund organizations that help homeless women. Whatever makes the most impact...

For Lizzie Magie.


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18 Sep 2019, 2:22 pm

Lizzie Magie has been dead for over 70 years. She left no known heirs. Her original patents have reverted to the public domain.

So who actually receives the financial benefits of "Polyopoly"?


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18 Sep 2019, 3:36 pm

Lizzie Magie has been dead for over 70 years. She left no known heirs. Her original patents have reverted to the public domain.

So who actually receives the financial benefits of "Polyopoly"?


Those who care about the truth and are disaffected by the current Oligopoly. Some kind of new ending to the game will have to be thought up. This is for it to make sense in terms of a game with an ending.

Did you not read about the Homeless Women's Shelter funding part? Did that just skip your mind? Are you against helping homeless women or something Fnord? I don't get how your mind works.


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18 Sep 2019, 4:05 pm

tensordyne wrote:
Lizzie Magie has been dead for over 70 years. She left no known heirs. Her original patents have reverted to the public domain. So who actually receives the financial benefits of "Polyopoly"?Those who care about the truth and are disaffected by the current Oligopoly.
Names, please.
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Did you not read about the Homeless Women's Shelter funding part? Did that just skip your mind? Are you against helping homeless women or something Fnord?
Argumentum ad Misericordiam much? Please provide a link to the alleged "Homeless Women's Shelter" and I will make a direct donation. Provide a bona fide fiduciary prospectus, and I will make a more substantial donation.
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I don't get how your mind works.
Then mull on this: In GOD We Trust. All others show proof of intent.


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18 Sep 2019, 5:45 pm

Argumentum ad Misericordiam much? Please provide a link to the alleged "Homeless Women's Shelter" and I will make a direct donation. Provide a bona fide fiduciary prospectus, and I will make a more substantial donation.

Dum anima est, spes est. Non autem verborum dolor. Intellectus facit dolor.

http://www.awaic.org

All public organizations that can recieve donations must have public tax filings and incorporation documents, they are not however required to have a "fiduciary prospectus", as you ask for, because a prospectus is what commercial entities like banks and such offer, not non-profits. Just check out the about page or click on the following to get the tax return filings from 2018 and back.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/920061049

Did you even do a websearch before you made your boastful claim about making a donation? There are tons of womens homeless shelters in the US and in the world abroad. I would like a picture upload as proof of completion of your side of the deal. I have no idea how much money you wanted to donate, but please donate kindly. The places need all the help they can get. Women get treated like crap, a lot, I am afraid. Or am I being too much of an annoying do-gooder? Booohooo.

Then mull on this: In GOD We Trust. All others show proof of intent.

Yes, let us mull. Maybe I should have offered YWCA, the Young Women Christians Association, they have a homeless womens shelter in my home state. I am now really confused by you Fnord. On another thread I ++'d you because of your militantly correct stance on how crapy it is people do not see science won the intellectual debate.

What is this "In GOD We Trust" stuff. Hey, I have no problem with decentralized trust networks at all if the other part is "All others show proof of intent." It is just that "In God We Trust" should never have been put on the money like it was in the long time ago of 1956. Yep, this venerable tradition must be carried on.... 8) :wink:

From Wikipedia:


"In God We Trust", also written as "In God we trust", is the official motto of the United States of America[1][2][3] and of the U.S. state of Florida. It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, supplanting E pluribus unum, in use since the initial 1776 design of the Great Seal of the United States.[4]


I am not sure about state law as regards Florida, but the accomodationist argument as a judicial argument (not that I am a JD at all), I do not find compelling. Accomodationism is the slippery slope that allows the reintroduction of theocracy. The problem is, lack of absense, is not the same as, absense of lack. When E Pluribus unum is the motoe, everyone is included.

When In God We Trust is used, those who do not believe in any God are required to have that as their mottoe, which is injurious to their station because it is libelous. This gives cause. For those who don't trust in any God, they say, "Stop speaking for me thank you", but then that is what dominent groups always do to silence dissenters. They speak for you, even if they don't.

Are you into Crypto Fnord? I like Gold and precious metals as an asset class, but I don't think they are money. Cryptocurrencies are definitely money. When gold is struck as coin because a fiat power decalares it so, the value of Gold goes up. It should stay the same if the Austrianites are correct.

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18 Sep 2019, 5:55 pm

When will we have "In Satan We Trust", oh yeah, that is right, never. QED.

In Cthulhu We Trust.
In Flying Spaghetti Monster We Trust.
In Nothing We Trust.
In Corporations We Trust.
In Idiots We Trust.
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