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22 Oct 2019, 4:08 pm

magz wrote:
Anyway, for me, the biggest question related to abortion is: when does a fetus become a human?
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22 Oct 2019, 4:09 pm

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In my opinion, no.

After all, they would be deciding their own reproductive rights, as well.

Better yet, make it a referendum only among all female voters to decide the outcome once and for all.

... in my opinion ...

Thanks, that's coherent.

I am a woman and I have been pregnant but I don't feel I could decide for other women. I wouldn't know what would be right.

Anyway, for me, the biggest question related to abortion is: when does a fetus become a human?


When it's born and gets a birth certificate.

never heard of a fetus with one.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:10 pm

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I think it should mostly be done as a last resort, when not done because of rape, incest or danger to the mother. I think other options, such as adoption, should be considered if possible.

As for the legality of abortion, most restrictions won’t survive a Supreme Court battle, especially not the “heartbeat” laws or the one passed in Alabama. Those laws were meant to be a form of extreme slut-shaming, and were never about “protecting life.”

I find the terms “pro-life” and “pro-choice” to be misleading. If you oppose abortion, but not war or the death penalty, you are not pro-life. If you support abortion, but constantly shame people who want to be parents, you are not pro-choice.

I simply say pro- or anti-abortion.



So, are you saying that running the kid through a meat grinder for food is a better choice than abortion?



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22 Oct 2019, 4:11 pm

I'm not necessarily pro-abortion, but I am pro-choice. Sometimes abortion is necessary and it should be up to the woman.

And for the record I don't understand how conservartives can be against abortion because they claim it's murder but support war and the death penalty. It's ALL taking a human life in my honest opinion! :roll:



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22 Oct 2019, 4:13 pm

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Tim_Tex wrote:
I think it should mostly be done as a last resort, when not done because of rape, incest or danger to the mother. I think other options, such as adoption, should be considered if possible.

As for the legality of abortion, most restrictions won’t survive a Supreme Court battle, especially not the “heartbeat” laws or the one passed in Alabama. Those laws were meant to be a form of extreme slut-shaming, and were never about “protecting life.”

I find the terms “pro-life” and “pro-choice” to be misleading. If you oppose abortion, but not war or the death penalty, you are not pro-life. If you support abortion, but constantly shame people who want to be parents, you are not pro-choice.

I simply say pro- or anti-abortion.



So, are you saying that running the kid through a meat grinder for food is a better choice than abortion?


If seasoned correctly they do make mighty fine burgers.

Just ask McDonalds.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:15 pm

I wonder how quickly the "question" would be resolved if every person who wanted to forbid abortions was forced to raise someone else's unwanted child at that person's own expense.

The same for capitol punishment -- if someone wants to abolish the death penalty, then make them responsible for the life-long incarceration of a sociopathic mass-murderer in their own home!



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22 Oct 2019, 4:18 pm

BDavro wrote:
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Tim_Tex wrote:
I think it should mostly be done as a last resort, when not done because of rape, incest or danger to the mother. I think other options, such as adoption, should be considered if possible.

As for the legality of abortion, most restrictions won’t survive a Supreme Court battle, especially not the “heartbeat” laws or the one passed in Alabama. Those laws were meant to be a form of extreme slut-shaming, and were never about “protecting life.”

I find the terms “pro-life” and “pro-choice” to be misleading. If you oppose abortion, but not war or the death penalty, you are not pro-life. If you support abortion, but constantly shame people who want to be parents, you are not pro-choice.

I simply say pro- or anti-abortion.



So, are you saying that running the kid through a meat grinder for food is a better choice than abortion?


If seasoned correctly they do make mighty fine burgers.

Just ask McDonalds.


You just gave me an idea for a new business venture. It's a combination of an orphanage and a BBQ joint.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:19 pm

BDavro wrote:
magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
In my opinion, no.

After all, they would be deciding their own reproductive rights, as well.

Better yet, make it a referendum only among all female voters to decide the outcome once and for all.

... in my opinion ...

Thanks, that's coherent.

I am a woman and I have been pregnant but I don't feel I could decide for other women. I wouldn't know what would be right.

Anyway, for me, the biggest question related to abortion is: when does a fetus become a human?


When it's born and gets a birth certificate.

never heard of a fetus with one.

So, a child without a birth certificate is not a human?
Now I understand all the slaughtering of different native nations. They didn't have birth certificates so it was okay to kill them!


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22 Oct 2019, 4:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
I wonder how quickly the "question" would be resolved if every person who wanted to forbid abortions was forced to raise someone else's unwanted child at that person's own expense.

The same for capitol punishment -- if someone wants to abolish the death penalty, then make them responsible for the life-long incarceration of a sociopathic mass-murderer in their own home!

That's pretty extreme.
By this logic, you could as well ask for death penalty to any problematic individual (like a controversial WP member called Fnord ;) ) and call anyone who protests to keep the problematic individual in their own home.


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22 Oct 2019, 4:25 pm

magz wrote:
BDavro wrote:
magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
In my opinion, no.

After all, they would be deciding their own reproductive rights, as well.

Better yet, make it a referendum only among all female voters to decide the outcome once and for all.

... in my opinion ...

Thanks, that's coherent.

I am a woman and I have been pregnant but I don't feel I could decide for other women. I wouldn't know what would be right.

Anyway, for me, the biggest question related to abortion is: when does a fetus become a human?


When it's born and gets a birth certificate.

never heard of a fetus with one.

So, a child without a birth certificate is not a human?
Now I understand all the slaughtering of different native nations. They didn't have birth certificates so it was okay to kill them!


Your kung-fu is weak.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:25 pm

magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder how quickly the "question" would be resolved if every person who wanted to forbid abortions was forced to raise someone else's unwanted child at that person's own expense. The same for capitol punishment -- if someone wants to abolish the death penalty, then make them responsible for the life-long incarceration of a sociopathic mass-murderer in their own home!
That's pretty extreme. By this logic, you could as well ask for death penalty for any problematic individual (like a controversial WP member called Fnord) and call anyone who says it would be wrong to keep the problematic individual at their own home.
So ... what time is supper, Magz?

:wink:



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22 Oct 2019, 4:27 pm

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magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder how quickly the "question" would be resolved if every person who wanted to forbid abortions was forced to raise someone else's unwanted child at that person's own expense. The same for capitol punishment -- if someone wants to abolish the death penalty, then make them responsible for the life-long incarceration of a sociopathic mass-murderer in their own home!
That's pretty extreme. By this logic, you could as well ask for death penalty for any problematic individual (like a controversial WP member called Fnord) and call anyone who says it would be wrong to keep the problematic individual at their own home.
So ... what time is supper, Magz?

:wink:

You're late. It's 11:27 PM here, we're done with supper.


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22 Oct 2019, 4:28 pm

At least everyone's keeping a sense of humor!

I was thinking--only half a joke here--but regarding women deciding their own reproductive rights. Neat thought. But I don't want to see MEN decide THEIR own reproductive rights. What if the incel crowd got involved?


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22 Oct 2019, 4:29 pm

magz wrote:
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magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder how quickly the "question" would be resolved if every person who wanted to forbid abortions was forced to raise someone else's unwanted child at that person's own expense. The same for capitol punishment -- if someone wants to abolish the death penalty, then make them responsible for the life-long incarceration of a sociopathic mass-murderer in their own home!
That's pretty extreme. By this logic, you could as well ask for death penalty for any problematic individual (like a controversial WP member called Fnord) and call anyone who says it would be wrong to keep the problematic individual at their own home.
So ... what time is supper, Magz?
You're late. It's 11:27 PM here, we're done with supper.
<* Sigh *>

I'll just fish around and under the sofa cushions, then.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:30 pm

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At least everyone's keeping a sense of humor!

I was thinking--only half a joke here--but regarding women deciding their own reproductive rights. Neat thought. But I don't want to see MEN decide THEIR own reproductive rights. What if the incel crowd got involved?


Incels are not real, it's just a term used by idiots to shut people down.



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22 Oct 2019, 4:32 pm

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I'll just fish around and under the sofa cushions, then.

Try keyboards :twisted:


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