Anti-white ABC film a grim sign of our intellectual decay

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nickolasprohas
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29 Nov 2019, 3:50 am

That one got shut down as well apparently.



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29 Nov 2019, 5:50 am

I still think Andrew Bolt is an arse, and is insufferable to listen to.

He himself has a history of trying to say the Stolen Generation did not happen. And have you seen his comments to Greta Thunberg in regards to her autism? Andrew Bolt even tried to say that George Pell was innocent and his victims lied.


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29 Nov 2019, 9:13 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
I still think Andrew Bolt is an arse, and is insufferable to listen to.

He himself has a history of trying to say the Stolen Generation did not happen. And have you seen his comments to Greta Thunberg in regards to her autism? Andrew Bolt even tried to say that George Pell was innocent and his victims lied.


Regardless of you liking him or not, what if what he says is true?
You seem to have made up your mind.
I am still sitting on the fence and waiting to see what develops.

I'm tempted in going off on a tangent topic-wise here but I won't. :mrgreen:

The "Stolen Generation" point is pertinent though.

What I find amazing is how "Binary" most people are.
At my age, I realise most things in life are not "Black & White" (the older person's version of "Binary").
While there has been presented "Hardcore" evidence as to genocidal policy, I find it hard to believe it was representitive of the Australian people collectively.
"It" may have been a stated, err, statement by one individual, but was it an actual accepted policy at the time or was it from a rogue element as can been seen in present-day Parliament?
For me, this hasn't been resolved as yet.

While there has been the sodomy of the Truth even relatively recently (See the "Austalia's hidden shame" video presented by JohnPowell viewtopic.php?t=382293) I find it hard to believe there is only one side to the coin.

While exaggeration in regards to the dysfunction of the Aboriginal community seems to be conclusive, curtsy of the video, this doesn't mean that there are no significant social issues.
To suggest that some children of the aboriginal community were relocated to protect them seems plausible,
As plausible as the removing of children from non-aboriginal families.
Bolt seems to be focusing on this and is questioning the truthfulness of a wholesale social policy designed to eradicate aboriginality altogether.

I don't see the entire matter a "binary" consideration.
I prefer to reserve judgment until I have more information. 8)



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30 Nov 2019, 3:57 am

Pepe wrote:
Regardless of you liking him or not, what if what he says is true?
You seem to have made up your mind.
I am still sitting on the fence and waiting to see what develops.

I'm tempted in going off on a tangent topic-wise here but I won't. :mrgreen:


Made up my mind on what? I already said earlier that some of the claims of the scholar sounded fishy, and think there are some credible. With the exception I would say that Andrew Bolt takes it the possible incorrect information to mean that the Aboriginal people were only hunter gatherer, while I saw other sources that said that there may have been some form of yam farms.

Independent of that I think of Andrew Bolt as a smug arse who will do what he can to push his troubling politics.

Pepe wrote:
The "Stolen Generation" point is pertinent though.

What I find amazing is how "Binary" most people are.
At my age, I realise most things in life are not "Black & White" (the older person's version of "Binary").
While there has been presented "Hardcore" evidence as to genocidal policy, I find it hard to believe it was representitive of the Australian people collectively.
"It" may have been a stated, err, statement by one individual, but was it an actual accepted policy at the time or was it from a rogue element as can been seen in present-day Parliament?
For me, this hasn't been resolved as yet.

While there has been the sodomy of the Truth even relatively recently (See the "Austalia's hidden shame" video presented by JohnPowell viewtopic.php?t=382293) I find it hard to believe there is only one side to the coin.

While exaggeration in regards to the dysfunction of the Aboriginal community seems to be conclusive, curtsy of the video, this doesn't mean that there are no significant social issues.
To suggest that some children of the aboriginal community were relocated to protect them seems plausible,
As plausible as the removing of children from non-aboriginal families.
Bolt seems to be focusing on this and is questioning the truthfulness of a wholesale social policy designed to eradicate aboriginality altogether.

I don't see the entire matter a "binary" consideration.
I prefer to reserve judgment until I have more information. 8)


Don't think for most people it has to be a matter of binary opinion of trying to eradicate, but simply the fact that children were taken from their parents for any reason, were not allowed any contact with parents, and were pretty much attempted to be indoctrinated. They were treated like belongings of the state, rather than full rights that others had. And this policy went on until 1967.


A quote by Cecil Cook, appointed as Chief Medical Officer and Protector of Aborigines for the Northern Territory in 1927.
"generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white."

Even if this is one person's statement, it is evidence of thoughts at the time, that should not be discounted either. Andrew Bolt is the kind of guy who thinks simple history is trying to make him feel shame, and I am sure he is indeed a racist, he would prefer to characterise things as nothing important was lost, like it would excuse everything else that was horrible.

I will say this as a younger person in terms of binary opinions. If you don't empathise with the people in the past that did awful things in the past, you have nothing to feel ashamed of. Andrew Bolt is not covering this subject because he is unbiased, he would do anything to remove any sort of guilt he might feel, or he thinks people are trying to make him feel, and would rewrite it if he could.


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