04 Dec 2019, 9:48 pm
funeralxempire
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04 Dec 2019, 9:49 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Our friend Darmok doesn't appear to accept the reality of climate change or any need to move away from fossil fuels etc. All the old folk I talk to have noticed the gradual climate changes.
Old farts are free to pretend it isn't occurring, they'll be dead before it impacts them.
Too right!
But hang on.
You mean the old farts who don't have any skin in the game, like me, don't you?
Other old farts have their children and grand children to consider.
I am sure they would rather their offspring have a better future than themselves, right?
Isn't that the way parenthood is supposed to work?
It might be the way it's supposed to work, but it's often not the way it actually works. Whether it's climate or debt or other issues, people aren't nearly as bothered by stealing from or otherwise unfairly burdening their great-grandkids (or or kids, or grandkids) as one might expect.
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04 Dec 2019, 10:02 pm
Pepe wrote:
And thirdly:
Catastrophizing about a no return point causing an extinction event simply doesn't "Cut the Mustard" with more informed individuals.
We are in an "Ice Age" at the moment and the earth's climate does alternates between warmer and kooler conditions.
My understanding is that the amount of polar ice that we have atm is not typical.
I.E. The earth "normally" doesn't have as much ice as it has now.
Please take this statement in context.
If there is a problem with environmental compliance determined by some groups, could it have something to do the absolute BS that people have been fed for many years?
May I suggest that Chicken Little goes to the Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages and legally change his/her name in addition to grabbing a pair of "Groucho Marx" glasses with attached big nose, eyebrows and moustache?
I think we have seen enough of that turkey, err, I mean chicken.
Catastrophizing about a no return point causing an extinction event simply doesn't "Cut the Mustard" with more informed individuals.
We are in an "Ice Age" at the moment and the earth's climate does alternates between warmer and kooler conditions.
My understanding is that the amount of polar ice that we have atm is not typical.
I.E. The earth "normally" doesn't have as much ice as it has now.
Please take this statement in context.
If there is a problem with environmental compliance determined by some groups, could it have something to do the absolute BS that people have been fed for many years?
May I suggest that Chicken Little goes to the Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages and legally change his/her name in addition to grabbing a pair of "Groucho Marx" glasses with attached big nose, eyebrows and moustache?
I think we have seen enough of that turkey, err, I mean chicken.
The problem is that you are ignorant and buy into the BS framing that wants to downplay human responsibility of the climate. We are technically at an end of an Ice Age, but if everything was so natural, then why are the coral reefs, that lasted millions of years and support many unique species, dying off now from an increased acidity level in the oceans? Coral reefs are suddenly turning into bleached wastelands in the last several decades, killing off species that live in the ancient eco systems.
Is it so incorrect to explain that the slow turning away from old systems of fossil fuels is because of old reluctant patriarch systems that are afraid of change, wanting to hold onto its power rather than care about the future? But people like you just keep buying the framing from people who have an interest in ignorance and make scary Left people the bad guys, rather than rich fossil fuel people who are aware the environment is being destroyed, but want money.
04 Dec 2019, 10:17 pm
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04 Dec 2019, 10:35 pm
05 Dec 2019, 2:27 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Our friend Darmok doesn't appear to accept the reality of climate change or any need to move away from fossil fuels etc. All the old folk I talk to have noticed the gradual climate changes.
Old farts are free to pretend it isn't occurring, they'll be dead before it impacts them.
Too right!
But hang on.
You mean the old farts who don't have any skin in the game, like me, don't you?
Other old farts have their children and grand children to consider.
I am sure they would rather their offspring have a better future than themselves, right?
Isn't that the way parenthood is supposed to work?
It might be the way it's supposed to work, but it's often not the way it actually works. Whether it's climate or debt or other issues, people aren't nearly as bothered by stealing from or otherwise unfairly burdening their great-grandkids (or or kids, or grandkids) as one might expect.
I got your message.
Australians are much nicer and more responsible people.
05 Dec 2019, 2:52 am
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I think his point is that Greta is showing her true colours.
Indeed she is! She's showing that she's someone who cares about human rights! Gasp! Only an evil communist would care about human rights!
So there is no misunderstanding:
I made the point that it wasn't *her* true colours.
<quote>
"Well, more correctly, other people's true colours."
<end quote>
I see her as a victim of manipulation,
A tool used by a cynical system which will use any means possible to get their political agenda off the ground.
Greta is a very clever girl,
Who is in no position to fully appreciate the complexity and deviousness involved, due to her very limited life experience.
A profound cynical attitude takes many years and a lot of hard work to achieve.
BTW,
I care about human and animal rights also but no one has elevated me to "Messiah Status", even though I am much more qualified.
envirozentinel
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05 Dec 2019, 2:58 am
Ah, seniority alone doesn't qualify you....
We want credentials!!
05 Dec 2019, 3:03 am
CarlM wrote:
When I'm gone, I want to be remembered as a CC warrior. I can't imagine what they will think of anyone who wasn't. "Everyone was saying we had to do something, and they did nothing?"
Well, I don't have any kids and never will.
In regard to minimising CO2 emissions,
I am a god damn eco-warrior legend because of it.
No One can say I didn't do my bit.
Quote:
"Having a child is one of the most impactful things you can do to the environment," says bioethicist Travis Rieder, of Johns Hopkins University. "Run the math — having a child is equal to emitting [nearly] 10,000 metric tons of carbon. That's six times the amount in your own lifetime." https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/what-to- ... -1.4914481
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05 Dec 2019, 3:07 am
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05 Dec 2019, 3:10 am
05 Dec 2019, 3:17 am
AugustD wrote:
AlanMooresBeard wrote:
James Delingpole is an idiot. Please do not post his nonsense in here.
Amen Sharing this kind of BS and fake news would be reason for me to leave WP.
Total agreement.
Free expression and freedom of thought ist verboten in this philosophical discussion forum.
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05 Dec 2019, 3:25 am
Pepe wrote:
Free expression and freedom of thought ist verboten in this philosophical discussion forum.
Nope.
Sharing fake news without fact checking was the main reason for me to abolish FaceBook. Sharing BS without fact checking here at WP would lead the same route. Just don't follow your gut feeling and copy/paste hoaxes.
05 Dec 2019, 3:35 am
^ That will be a relief! I'm really tired of having to see so many stories from the New York Times and Washington Post. Since we know they're all fake news, we can just block them from WP now.
05 Dec 2019, 3:37 am
AugustD wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Free expression and freedom of thought ist verboten in this philosophical discussion forum.
Nope.
Sharing fake news without fact checking was the main reason for me to abolish FaceBook. Sharing BS without fact checking here at WP would lead the same route. Just don't follow your gut feeling and copy/paste hoaxes.
OK,
"Give me a better argument and I will listen",
Is the true aspie's motto.
Seriously:
Supply proof that it is "Fake News" and I will be convinced.
Simples.
05 Dec 2019, 3:40 am
Darmok wrote:
^ That will be a relief! I'm really tired of having to see so many stories from the New York Times and Washington Post. Since we know they're all fake news, we can just block them from WP now.
Hear, Hear!
But why stop there?
Let's ban everything/k.
