Wombat killing.

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Not trying to hijack but one of the South (Carolinas and Georgia) is getting a law changed for the annual 'possum drop.' They catch a wild possum and lower the poor animal from a height like the ball drop in NYC for New Years. They are very shy creatures and it scares them (sometimes, to death). This could arguably be a 'cultural' thing. To try and calm PETA, they said they'd kill it first! Possums are valuable, they reduce tick borne diseases by eating thousands of ticks. They are not dangerous, nor are they disease carriers.

Wombats are diggers, so they must help keep vegetation growing by tilling the earth.

I only care about the sick or bullied, kids, old people and animals. The vulnerable. And I hate everyone else.

So, if I admit that there are only certain groups I care about and I don't pretend to care about everyone and everything, I don't think I would be hypocritical by saying that these people who are native to these regions have absolutely no right to kill another living thing in a bizarre and torturous way. If you're hungry, kill it quick and eat it! Or, be prosecuted.

Just my two cents

Fair enough.

Regarding to the possum-torture ceremony:
Yes, they could argue it's their culture - in fact where I live (Germany), the nationalists and white supremacist neo-nazis are actually argueing that they are a threatened culture, and all they want is an ethno-state where they aren't bothered by foreign people (immigrants). - otherwise, they say, their culture will be destroyed over the course of a few decades or maybe generations.
They claim the protection we try to give to minorities and immigrants and people who follow religious traditions - and at the moment, the neo nazis actually are a minority, over the long run hopefully on their way out.

Figuring out how to get this cultural identity stuff somewhat right is soooo hard...

I would be surprised if it were any other way.
IMO, he injured his aboriginal community.

But like always,
There is a political element in the mix.
Some people will defend his cruelty as a result of an "us against them" mentality.

As I mentioned,
My issue is not with aboriginal culture.
It is the unnecessary way the killing was done in this particular context,
And particularly the sadistic pleasure while doing so.
This has nothing to do with aboriginality and culture.

Recently there was another example of animal cruelty where a person deliberately ran over emus and he posted this atrocity on the net also.


Yes, it was a much worse situation and is not legitimately comparable,
But there are signs of abnormal psychology in both situations.
IMO, enjoying the torture of animals is not typical/healthy human behaviour and there is a valid reason for concern.

P.S.
Michael Coster,
Shame on you.

Who doesn't?

They are also apparently flippin' huge.

That’s a silly argument. Neither Pilates or yoga hurts anyone (other than the occasional pulled hamstring that one inflicts upon oneself which doesn’t hurt anyone else).

This issue is about the humane treatment of another living being. The vast majority of people would agree that hurting an animal in such a brutal manner is inhumane.

I have no trouble with calling a spade a spade.

My respect for culture does not extend that far (although that’s not really the issue here). Many awful things have been done in the name of tradition.

Once again, just because my culture treats animals inhumanely doesn’t mean that it’s okay for another to. Both are wrong, and I’m right for saying so.

They remind me of a giant hamster. Hamsters were my first little loves.

But there is a law in place against that. They are just using a loophole to get away with it, which is wrong.

The majority of the population would probably agree that the practice is wrong which explains why there is a law in the first place.

Parents who don’t get their children appropriate medical care due to religious beliefs are often charged with neglect (if not worse things if the child dies).

Both stoning and inhumane treatment of animals on mass farms are both wrong. Just because one group does something wrong, it doesn’t make the other okay. It’s not logical.[quote/]
Why do you call it a "loophole"?
Taking away the right to hunt using traditional methods is forcing people to buy meat from a shop, ie adopt your practices. (Which you already admit you can't fully defend)

I don't know Australia, are there shops everywhere? Do aborigines own any of these facilities and can everyone afford meat? Shopping involves money, fuel, roads, packaging, waste and none of the profits go back into the community, its actively shooting youself in the foot. Calling it a loophole shows a complete lack of understansing. If only things were so cut and dry we could just depend on you to make the law to everyone's satisfaction and it would only take 5 minutes.

You've verged on ridiculing other people's views on this thread but
your other arguments aren't so cut and dry either. The majority of people would reinstate the death penalty for example.

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What about it Pepe?

Tell us about the tough times in third world Australia.

As far as hunting using traditional methods goes, I’m sure there are more humane traditional hunting methods than throwing rocks. If not, it’s time to update them.

I doubt this is a normal occurrence. If it was normal, it wouldn’t be sensational enough to be on the news.

Also, would the majority of people reinstate the death penalty with the method of stoning? I doubt it.

Dammit, I tried to delete my last post but couldn't. Thanks for not going ballistic on me.

I would have thought that the police would have asked him to apologise publicly and maybe tried to instigate some kind of discussion involving him and elders about what "traditional" entails.

I’m not sure if anyone has watched the video in the link, but it’s pretty disturbing stuff, bordering on sociopathy.

Laughing as they stone an animal is not normal. It would not sit well with the hunters I have known personally.

Such cruelty is not good for the animals OR the people. It can lead to desensitization (laughter as noted above is not a good sign... ) and can make the perpetrator more likely to engage in other violent crimes (especially domestic violence and child abuse). I’ve observed this sort of thing myself...

Various studies have demonstrated a link between animal abuse and child abuse. Animal abuse needs to be treated seriously.

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I dunno, what's your position on this?

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36843769

The big ones are.
The baby ones, not so much.

BTW,
The woman in the picture is a "little person", I think.



Yep.
I've come across those studies also.

I choose to believe that she's the size of Gwendoline Christie, and the wombat in turn being about the size of a small bear. Hamster-cavalry ho!

Don't be fooled.
There is a reason the woman has a bear hug death grip on that vicious beast.
You can see the malicious intent in those eyes.
You can also see the impending threat in the eyes of the wombat also.

Ah,
An oldie but a goodie. <sigh of satisfaction>



I am sure she isn't a "ho",
Hamster-cavalry or otherwise.