Corona makes me feel that humanity has it all wrong

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04 Mar 2020, 5:28 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Scientific research will eventually show where it came from.


I'm anxious for that day.



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04 Mar 2020, 5:28 pm

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This is a philosophical thread not political, and you are proving my point by arguing :D


:lol:

just passing through minding my own business: quite like humans in general from a safe distance, although they do seem to like squabbling an awful lot.



So do I lol in fact if we all begin to work together as an integral system and concentrate on getting along I believe wonderful things will happen. We are not bad, just working against each other, what happens in any mechanism when the components work against each other?


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04 Mar 2020, 5:29 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Scientific research will eventually show where it came from.
Not until after it has found a cure, I hope.



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04 Mar 2020, 5:29 pm

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This is a philosophical thread not political, and you are proving my point by arguing :D whoever, whatever created the virus it is still bringing our sophisticated, technological arrogant world to it's knees.


good. whatever happens next probably won't be positive change, but one can hope


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04 Mar 2020, 5:31 pm

Teach51 wrote:
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This is a philosophical thread not political, and you are proving my point by arguing.
just passing through minding my own business: quite like humans in general from a safe distance, although they do seem to like squabbling an awful lot.
So do I lol in fact if we all begin to work together as an integral system and concentrate on getting along I believe wonderful things will happen. We are not bad, just working against each other, what happens in any mechanism when the components work against each other?
You call finger-pointing work?

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04 Mar 2020, 5:32 pm

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One of the ways I have of determining which members of my staff get raises and/or promotions is to see which ones solve problems and which one assign blame. The former get rewarded, while the latter eventually find employment elsewhere.


You run a tough and fair ship I am sure. ( please note the naval reference )


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04 Mar 2020, 5:33 pm

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One of the ways I have of determining which members of my staff get raises and/or promotions is to see which ones solve problems and which one assign blame. The former get rewarded, while the latter eventually find employment elsewhere.



I can't help but think if a virus was found to have originated in a U.S. bioweapons lab and ended up killing thousands of people that the world would hardly have your attitude of live and let live and that placing blame should be completely irrelevant. No, there would be calls for accountability.

Also, I'm not saying that I believe no mitigation attempts or no work to find a solution should take place until it's conclusive as to whether this is China's fault. I believe in due time, the virus' origin should be determined rather than saying it's irrelevant and humanity shouldn't even try to find out the answer to that question. That's weird to me.



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04 Mar 2020, 5:36 pm

Teach51 wrote:
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One of the ways I have of determining which members of my staff get raises and/or promotions is to see which ones solve problems and which ones assign blame. The former get rewarded, while the latter eventually find employment elsewhere.
You run a tough and fair ship I am sure.
It's called "Merit-Based Advancement".
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(please note the naval reference.)
Noted...

:roll: ... Note: Employee engages in low-grade sycophancy.



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04 Mar 2020, 5:40 pm

Personally I think it's a mutation and not man-made. It's not proving that lethal, just scaring the sh.t out of everyone, paralysing commerce and travel, as I said, humbling. Flu has more fatalities as far as I know.


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04 Mar 2020, 5:42 pm

Magna wrote:
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One of the ways I have of determining which members of my staff get raises and/or promotions is to see which ones solve problems and which one assign blame. The former get rewarded, while the latter eventually find employment elsewhere.
I can't help but think if a virus was found to have originated in a U.S. bioweapons lab and ended up killing thousands of people that the world would hardly have your attitude of live and let live and that placing blame should be completely irrelevant. No, there would be calls for accountability.
Yes ... I'm sure the howling mobs would also corner the markets on pitchforks and torches.
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Also, I'm not saying that I believe no mitigation attempts or no work to find a solution should take place until it's conclusive as to whether this is China's fault. I believe in due time, the virus' origin should be determined rather than saying it's irrelevant and humanity shouldn't even try to find out the answer to that question. That's weird to me.
It's weird to me why anyone would want to determine who is at fault before making any effort to find the cure; but that's just me, it seems...



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04 Mar 2020, 5:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
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One of the ways I have of determining which members of my staff get raises and/or promotions is to see which ones solve problems and which one assign blame. The former get rewarded, while the latter eventually find employment elsewhere.
I can't help but think if a virus was found to have originated in a U.S. bioweapons lab and ended up killing thousands of people that the world would hardly have your attitude of live and let live and that placing blame should be completely irrelevant. No, there would be calls for accountability.
Yes ... I'm sure the howling mobs would also corner the markets on pitchforks and torches.
Magna wrote:
Also, I'm not saying that I believe no mitigation attempts or no work to find a solution should take place until it's conclusive as to whether this is China's fault. I believe in due time, the virus' origin should be determined rather than saying it's irrelevant and humanity shouldn't even try to find out the answer to that question. That's weird to me.
It's weird to me why anyone would want to determine who is at fault before making any effort to find the cure; but that's just me, it seems...


I think we are on the same page then: Minimize damage, work to find a cure if that's even possible first and conclude whether this virus was created intentionally second.



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04 Mar 2020, 5:45 pm

Teach51 wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
This is a philosophical thread not political, and you are proving my point by arguing :D


:lol:

just passing through minding my own business: quite like humans in general from a safe distance, although they do seem to like squabbling an awful lot.



So do I lol in fact if we all begin to work together as an integral system and concentrate on getting along I believe wonderful things will happen. We are not bad, just working against each other, what happens in any mechanism when the components work against each other?


I’m pretty skeptical as regards human capacity to all work together: although we do seem to have a tendency to group together in ever larger blocks, we also have a tendency to overreach what we can manage in that regard... and maybe expect too much of each other whilst doing so.

Don’t mechanisms need the parts to push and run against each other to work?

(I’m still not really here: hence the italics :wink: )



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04 Mar 2020, 5:51 pm

I think they operate in a system, some seem to work in opposition, like plus and minus but they are creating a system that operates for a specific purpose. Like the human body, each organ has a different function but the whole mechanism must work in harmony or it breaks down.


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04 Mar 2020, 6:36 pm

Teach51 wrote:
I think they operate in a system, some seem to work in opposition, like plus and minus but they are creating a system that operates for a specific purpose. Like the human body, each organ has a different function but the whole mechanism must work in harmony or it breaks down.


ooh: three metaphors in one paragraph... :bounce:

In mathematics all functions have their opposite, necessary for mathematics to be of any use.

Yeah: I don’t understand the human body one... come across it before though. I know it’s meant to be of a human society, just doesn’t seem to fit all that well to what is: OH!
Just got it: it’s a hope thing isn’t it?

In music harmony contains both consonant & dissonant sound combinations: it’s the manipulation of the two together (in all sorts of different ways according to many & various cultural approaches) that gives tension, resolution, movement and emotion... melody uses the same concepts, but differently.
(Formal theoretical concepts being based upon observation what humans do when they’re musicing, and a secondary activity, of course)

Not sure where I was going with all that...

Something something inherent necessary contradictions something something nature of the beast something something.
Most likely.
That sounds like me :lol:



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04 Mar 2020, 6:45 pm

If the fault is human criminal behavior finding blame and assigning punishment is matter of justice and preventing future outbreaks. It might deter others from starting viruses sans that prevent the particular criminal from creating more bio weapons. Knowledge might be gained of how the criminal did it and how the criminal got around preventative measures possibly preventing future bio attacks.

Finding "blame" for purely a natural phenomenon is a necessary step in taking preventative actions and finding a cure.


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04 Mar 2020, 8:07 pm

Age has some advantages. I am 71 and that means I have lived for a very long time and experienced many things within this life. I am not too concerned about the coronavirus because I have lived similar experiences with the SARS and MERS coronavirus epidemic. I have seen it all play out before so in a sense I already know how it will end.

We will see more infections, people will panic, not just panic buying but bordering on the level of true terror. It is like the brawls that occur on Black Friday sales (American tradition) right after Thanksgiving when all the stores post sales and people physically fight over them. Then the number of new infections will stabilize and people will give a sigh of relief and then the infection rate will begin to fall. Then six months later, no one will even remember this pandemic, except for a few historians.

Almost every day the sun rises in east in the morning and sets in the west during the evening. I suspect this may not always be the case but within my lifetime there is a high probability it shall be so.


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