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11 Mar 2020, 3:53 pm

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Sanders vows to stay in the race for as long as possible.

I must say it's not looking good though.

He stayed in very long in 2016, so this go round I expect no different. He sees the big downside to Biden we all see. He has some grounds for hope that Biden will completely meltdown and the race will completely turnaround in a two person race to him. While his stated goal is to defeat Trump IMHO his real primary goal is to advance socialism. The nomination being "stolen" from him in 2016 and Trump winning was the best thing that ever happened to the socialist cause there is no reason to believe a 2020 repeat won't do the same.

I don't think Sanders is that cold and calculating,I was surprised he didn't bow out after his defeats in "super tuesday II" but I think Sanders is for real.

He was my congressman and senator for 12 years and was helpful to me personaly,he cares about his constituents :heart:

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13 Mar 2020, 8:01 am

This sure has been an eye opener, hasn’t it? It’s hard to believe any real people are supporting Joe Biden. If he’s getting any real, non cheating votes, it must be the people who gritted their teeth and voted for Hilary despite not liking her. I don’t think the people who enthusiastically voted for Hilary last time WOULD take Biden. It’s just a train wreck all around.

A debate between Bernie and Trump would be substantive. It would have to be, because insulting Bernie too much would make Trump look bad, and Bernie doesn’t do the zingers. For a rare instance, we would get to see exactly where their policies differ.

But no. I’m sure we’ll have Biden and Trump making jokes at each other the whole run. It’ll be funny at first, but then it’ll be old. Trump will win, and we’ll never know if Bernie could have made it.

If I am wrong here and someone really likes Biden, please tell me.

That being said, I’m really looking forward to a direct Bernie versus Biden.

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13 Mar 2020, 8:40 am

There is very little difference between Biden and Clinton. Biden is slightly more popular among black voters, Clinton was slightly more popular with women, but they broadly present a very similar policy front - liberal centrism.

Biden wouldn’t have been my first choice - Gillibrand, Harris, Bennet, Delaney and Booker all had him outflanked - but he’s a strong candidate who millions of Americans are enthusiastic about. If you don’t know any then either you don’t live in America or, as in this case, you’re stuck in a bubble.

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13 Mar 2020, 9:07 am

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Your right,there is little difference between Biden and Clinton,neither has a soul.

I think it's over for Bernie at this point,and now there is a hypothetical gun to my head forcing me to vote for Trump,because Biden is a non issue.

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13 Mar 2020, 2:51 pm

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Fnord wrote:

Mere speculation.

Besides, which of the 3 wealthy white male draft-dodgers in their 70s would you rather have as president?

i saw joe walsh's name on the primaries ..hope it is the famous musician ,
running on the republican ticket.

No it is not. It's an Obama-era House member who was, in fact, a very strong Tea Party type, not a moderate/" country club "

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14 Mar 2020, 7:26 pm

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It's only an eye opener if you haven't been paying attention to the facts on the ground. The only thing that is "surprising" is the Iowa-New Hampshire fade followed by the comeback. Biden was consistently ahead of the field in national polls until Iowa and the block of Biden + Bloomberg + Buttigieg + Klobuchar was always larger than the Sanders + Warren block.

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14 Mar 2020, 11:05 pm

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Some people have argued that Trump may be developing dementia!

The only thing that can defeat a bad guy with dementia is a good guy with dementia. :wink:

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17 Mar 2020, 10:56 pm

Sanders lost all three primaries tonight, I think it is over for him.

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18 Mar 2020, 1:18 am

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Sanders lost all three primaries tonight, I think it is over for him.

I guess now is a good time to bet $1000 on Trump winning in November. Democrats won't win without Sanders or his base.

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18 Mar 2020, 2:53 am

Trump clinched the GOP nomination.

Vote blue no matter who.

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18 Mar 2020, 4:16 am

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vermontsavant wrote:

Sanders lost all three primaries tonight, I think it is over for him.

I guess now is a good time to bet $1000 on Trump winning in November. Democrats won't win without Sanders or his base.

They also won’t win without Biden and his base, which is twice as big and nearly twice as likely to refuse to vote for the other candidate.

However, Sanders will probably endorse Biden and most of his supporters will vote for him. About 4% will vote Green and about 1% will vote for Trump.

Sanders’ voters are disproportionately concentrated in states that do not matter to the election, like California and Washington. Biden is more popular in swing states like Arizona, Florida, and Ohio.

Even factoring in the loss of those 5% of Sanders supporters, Biden is currently projected to have a comfortable win over Trump, although it’s still a long way out. As things stand I’d give him about a 2 in 3 chance.

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18 Mar 2020, 6:55 am

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funeralxempire wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

Sanders lost all three primaries tonight, I think it is over for him.

I guess now is a good time to bet $1000 on Trump winning in November. Democrats won't win without Sanders or his base.

I wouldn't say California doesn't matter,it's a huge state in population,Washington is fairly small pop wise but California and Washington will go Biden in the final election anyway,there to liberal to vote Trump,accept for ultra right wing alt. right skin head eastern Washington but thats low population and won't carry the state.

Biden may very well beat Trump,I'm not sure which one is worse,Biden is a very cold,frigid beltway insider,a politicians politician.

It will be a election of the lesser of two evils,will people be more turned off by Trump's incompetence or will they be alienated the the aloof,frigid technicrat Biden.We will see.

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18 Mar 2020, 12:09 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

Sanders lost all three primaries tonight, I think it is over for him.

I guess now is a good time to bet $1000 on Trump winning in November. Democrats won't win without Sanders or his base.

Biden's only appeal to substantial portions of potential voters is that he's not Trump and that won't be enough to get people to turn out to vote for him. Quote me in November, Biden will not become the next president. His senility is only going to become more obvious as time drags on, but since the Washington Generals only ever play to lose, he's their ideal candidate.

Don't waste your breath arguing with me, I'll quote this post on November 4th to remind you.

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18 Mar 2020, 12:30 pm

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The_Walrus wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

Sanders lost all three primaries tonight, I think it is over for him.

I guess now is a good time to bet $1000 on Trump winning in November. Democrats won't win without Sanders or his base.

Plus Biden come across as aloof and out of touch,which won't help with lower income white voters working dead end jobs.

Trump knows how to market himself to the alienated,a lot by blaming there problems on illegal imigrants,it worked in 2016.A lot of voters go for who they connect with not so much of an analysis of the issues.

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18 Mar 2020, 4:12 pm

Bernie Sanders says he is 'assessing' his presidential campaign

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Bernie Sanders said he will assess his presidential campaign after his poor showing in Tuesday's Democratic primaries.

"As I said yesterday, we are assessing the state of our campaign, there's not going to be an election for another three weeks," the Vermont senator told CNN Wednesday. "We are talking to our supporters. Anybody who suggests that at this point we are ending the campaign is not telling the truth."
Sanders did not answer questions on whether he has a timeframe for making a decision or if he thinks there's a pathway for him to win the Democratic nomination.
Earlier Wednesday, Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir made a similar comment about the future of the senator's bid.

"The next primary contest is at least three weeks away. Sen. Sanders is going to be having conversations with supporters to assess his campaign," Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir said in a statement Wednesday morning. "In the immediate term, however, he is focused on the government response to the coronavirus outbreak and ensuring that we take care of working people and the most vulnerable."

Shakir's statement came as parts of the campaign appeared to halt. An aide confirmed to CNN that the campaign had stopped running digital ad and had not booked TV ads past last week. The campaign has also issued no new fundraising appeals

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