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17 Mar 2020, 5:41 pm

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His hires people who calls this pandemic "Kung Flu" to an Asian American reporter.
I'm going to quote the article here just to show how racist Mr. Trump and his people really are.
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A CBS News White House correspondent revealed Tuesday that an unnamed White House official referred to the deadly coronavirus as the "Kung-Flu" directly to her face.

"Makes me wonder what they’re calling it behind my back," Weijia Jiang wrote on Twitter.

Erick Erickson, a conservative evangelical radio host and pro-Trumper, wrote in response to Jiang’s tweet: "I don’t care that you are offended by 'Kung Flu', 'Wuhan virus', or 'Chinese virus'," adding, "I'm sorry you’re that sensitive and eager to embrace Chinese communist propaganda, but I don’t care."

President Trump and several of his Republican allies have repeatedly used terms such as the "Chinese Virus" and the "Wuhan Virus," which have been condemned as xenophobic and racist.  The World Health Organization renamed the virus "COVID-19" so that it is not associated with a group of people or a geographical location, which can lead to stigmatization.  On Tuesday morning, the president said on Twitter that some states "are being hit hard by the Chinese Virus, some are not being hit practically at all."
Note that Erick Erickson obviously (1) cares enough to respond, (2) blames the victim for being "that sensitive", and (3) falsely accuses the victim of being "eager to embrace Chinese communist propaganda".

Narcissists and bullies enjoy triggering their victims, blaming their victims for being triggered, and insulting their victims even further, often by lying about their interests and loyalties.

Remember whom NOT to vote for this November...

:roll: ... Donald J. Trump, that is.



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17 Mar 2020, 6:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
His hires people who calls this pandemic "Kung Flu" to an Asian American reporter.
I'm going to quote the article here just to show how racist Mr. Trump and his people really are.
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A CBS News White House correspondent revealed Tuesday that an unnamed White House official referred to the deadly coronavirus as the "Kung-Flu" directly to her face.

"Makes me wonder what they’re calling it behind my back," Weijia Jiang wrote on Twitter.

Erick Erickson, a conservative evangelical radio host and pro-Trumper, wrote in response to Jiang’s tweet: "I don’t care that you are offended by 'Kung Flu', 'Wuhan virus', or 'Chinese virus'," adding, "I'm sorry you’re that sensitive and eager to embrace Chinese communist propaganda, but I don’t care."

President Trump and several of his Republican allies have repeatedly used terms such as the "Chinese Virus" and the "Wuhan Virus," which have been condemned as xenophobic and racist.  The World Health Organization renamed the virus "COVID-19" so that it is not associated with a group of people or a geographical location, which can lead to stigmatization.  On Tuesday morning, the president said on Twitter that some states "are being hit hard by the Chinese Virus, some are not being hit practically at all."
Note that Erick Erickson obviously (1) cares enough to respond, (2) blames the victim for being "that sensitive", and (3) falsely accuses the victim of being "eager to embrace Chinese communist propaganda".

Narcissists and bullies enjoy triggering their victims, blaming their victims for being triggered, and insulting their victims even further, often by lying about their interests and loyalties.

Remember whom NOT to vote for this November...

:roll: ... Donald J. Trump, that is.


The naming of illnesses after places or suspected origin have not been used for decades. It is "Elboa" or "SARS" not the "Asian Flu" for the 1957 pandemic or the "Hong Kong Flu" for the 1968 one. Beyond politically correct language using "Kung Flu" to an Asian-American reporter is a big "f**k you" for "f**k you"'s sake.


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17 Mar 2020, 6:24 pm

It's a major slur----no doubt about that!



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18 Mar 2020, 5:21 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
His hires people who calls this pandemic "Kung Flu" to an Asian American reporter.
I'm going to quote the article here just to show how racist Mr. Trump and his people really are.
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A CBS News White House correspondent revealed Tuesday that an unnamed White House official referred to the deadly coronavirus as the "Kung-Flu" directly to her face.

"Makes me wonder what they’re calling it behind my back," Weijia Jiang wrote on Twitter.

Erick Erickson, a conservative evangelical radio host and pro-Trumper, wrote in response to Jiang’s tweet: "I don’t care that you are offended by 'Kung Flu', 'Wuhan virus', or 'Chinese virus'," adding, "I'm sorry you’re that sensitive and eager to embrace Chinese communist propaganda, but I don’t care."

President Trump and several of his Republican allies have repeatedly used terms such as the "Chinese Virus" and the "Wuhan Virus," which have been condemned as xenophobic and racist.  The World Health Organization renamed the virus "COVID-19" so that it is not associated with a group of people or a geographical location, which can lead to stigmatization.  On Tuesday morning, the president said on Twitter that some states "are being hit hard by the Chinese Virus, some are not being hit practically at all."
Note that Erick Erickson obviously (1) cares enough to respond, (2) blames the victim for being "that sensitive", and (3) falsely accuses the victim of being "eager to embrace Chinese communist propaganda".

Narcissists and bullies enjoy triggering their victims, blaming their victims for being triggered, and insulting their victims even further, often by lying about their interests and loyalties.

Remember whom NOT to vote for this November...

:roll: ... Donald J. Trump, that is.


The naming of illnesses after places or suspected origin have not been used for decades. It is "Elboa" or "SARS" not the "Asian Flu" for the 1957 pandemic or the "Hong Kong Flu" for the 1968 one. Beyond politically correct language using "Kung Flu" to an Asian-American reporter is a big "f**k you" for "f**k you"'s sake.

MERS was named after a place to be fair. But yes, the Chinese aren’t the ones engaging in propaganda here.



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18 Mar 2020, 8:10 am

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... the Chinese are not the ones engaging in racist propaganda here.
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18 Mar 2020, 8:20 am

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Trump went from "hoax" to "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic" in about a week...
Yet he still takes no responsibility for his three years of neglect and assault on America's health-care system.

America's... what?


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18 Mar 2020, 8:24 am

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Trump went from "hoax" to "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic" in about a week...
Yet he still takes no responsibility for his three years of neglect and assault on America's health-care system.
America's ... what?
Well, once upon a time, long, long ago...


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18 Mar 2020, 8:24 am

Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Trump went from "hoax" to "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic" in about a week...
Yet he still takes no responsibility for his three years of neglect and assault on America's health-care system.
America's ... what?
Well, once upon a time, long, long ago...

...in a galaxy far away...


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18 Mar 2020, 8:38 am

magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Trump went from "hoax" to "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic" in about a week...
Yet he still takes no responsibility for his three years of neglect and assault on America's health-care system.
America's ... what?
Well, once upon a time, long, long ago...
... in a galaxy far away...
Medical Science started to emerge after their Industrial Revolution. At this time, there was rapid growth in economic activity in all nations. Later, economic and industrial growth continued to develop, and people made many scientific discoveries and inventions.

Scientists made rapid progress in identifying and preventing illnesses and in understanding how bacteria and viruses work.

However, they still had a long way to go regarding the treatment and cures of infectious diseases.

The way that people were living and working was changing dramatically. These changes affected the risk of infectious diseases and other conditions.

Meanwhile, scientific advances at that time started to make new treatments possible.

As the germ theory developed, scientists began to test and prove the principles of hygiene and antisepsis in treating wounds and preventing infection. New inventions included the electrocardiograph, which records the electrical activity of the heart over time.

As postal services and other communications improved, medical knowledge was able to spread rapidly.

Democracy led to people demanding health as a human right.

Then a man arose who promised to Make Everything Great Again.

Three years passed, as the man ordered a wall to be built, and upon this wall was to be his name. The man did spend much money that was not his to build his wall, and seeing that he needed even more money to complete it, he ordered subsidized health care for the people be discontinued, and he even went so far as to dismiss from his service experts on medicine, epidemiology, and virology.

Then the Blight hit, and the man declared Martial Law to control information and the movements of people. No one was allowed to speak against him, and he blamed the Blight on everyone -- feminists, foreigners, the Left, the Media, et cetera -- except his own ineptitude and failure to prepare for such a disaster.

Then, there was silence.

We know these things because of the records the people of that far-away galaxy left behind, hoping that no other civilization would fall to the blind ambitions of a narcissistic tyrant...


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18 Mar 2020, 12:22 pm

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It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the (con-) man behind the curtain.


Have they? His approval rating hasn't budged.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/


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18 Mar 2020, 12:34 pm

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It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the (con-) man behind the curtain.
Have they? His approval rating hasn't budged.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/
FYI: Five-Thirty-Eight is owned by the ABC network, which is owned by Disney, which also owns Fox News.

Thus -- being owned by a conservative, Right-leaning corporation -- it is only natural that Five-Thirty-Eight would present 'data' that favors conservative, right-leaning politicians and their policies.


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18 Mar 2020, 12:47 pm

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Fnord wrote:
It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the (con-) man behind the curtain.
Have they? His approval rating hasn't budged.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/
FYI: Five-Thirty-Eight is owned by the ABC network, which is owned by Disney, which also owns Fox News.

Thus -- being owned by a conservative, Right-leaning corporation -- it is only natural that Five-Thirty-Eight would present 'data' that favors conservative, right-leaning politicians and their policies.


I don't doubt that ownership can influence reporting/framing/etc, it seems like a gross oversimplification to reduce that bias to a single binary position like 'conservative'. It seems highly unlikely fivethirtyeight would stake their entire reputation on trying to make Trump look less unpopular than he is. You're welcome to believe that, but unless you've got better polling to support your position I'm going to remain unconvinced.


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18 Mar 2020, 1:32 pm

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... unless you've got better polling to support your position I'm going to remain unconvinced.
As will I. Nothing against you; that's just the way I am.


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18 Mar 2020, 1:57 pm

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... unless you've got better polling to support your position I'm going to remain unconvinced.
As will I. Nothing against you; that's just the way I am.


You haven't provided any polling whatsoever, I have. That was my point.


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18 Mar 2020, 2:10 pm

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... unless you've got better polling to support your position I'm going to remain unconvinced.
As will I. Nothing against you; that's just the way I am.
You haven't provided any polling whatsoever, I have. That was my point.
Yes, and your point has been taken. I never put much stock in polls, though; and my contempt for Mr. Trump runs too deep to excise. While his 'numbers' may be up, none of them came from me.

The last time a pollster called me, I filled her ear with so much vitriol regarding our president that I'm sure my phone number is on a "Do Not Call" list somewhere.

:wink: (And maybe my personal data is on a "First Round Up" list somewhere else.)


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18 Mar 2020, 3:26 pm

Yeah: there are all sorts of ways to set up a poll so you get the answer you want, choice of location if you’re stopping random people, focusing only on owner-occupiers and ignoring tenants if by mail, using only the membership of a chosen newspapers website, wording of questions, order of questions...

Not that that means any particular poll has been conducted in a calculating manner of course: but even then polls that have been conducted in the most ethical & unbiased fashion humanly possible can still be sufficiently off as to be worthless.
In elections with first-past-the-post voting, such as our parliamentary elections and your presidential ones, even an error margin of less the 2% can produce a misleading prediction.