Who wants to move to CHAZ?
That's all I've heard so far; that it's a wonderful place. Perhaps it's true. It's also possible given they haven't let any "biased media" gain entrance that they're controlling the narrative. That seems creepy.
I was thinking today that if Minneapolis, a city of over 400,000 people dismantles its police department and if crime happened to increase markedly, there's no way a narrative of "it's all good" could to held for long. Maybe in the MSM, but with the internet, accounts from people as to their actual experiences would come out.
Supplying an "army" is always problematical.
How long can they last?
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Well can the government arrest the protesters or give them warning that anyone protesting in the streets after a certain date will be arrested, like give them a week to all clear out?
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Well can the government arrest the protesters or give them warning that anyone protesting in the streets after a certain date will be arrested, like give them a week to all clear out?
Or, maybe they could listen to them and try and promise to do meaningful change that would meet their complaints. Just feels like that would be better than pretending you understand their complaint of toxic police and not doing anything that will have substantial change.
The protests and stuff are only as bad now because they have done protests before but nothing change. You ignore this one, it is going to be even worse next time, you might even create terrorists that will have to do drastic things to make sure that they are not ignored.
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Well the thing about defunding police departments is I think it will do more harm than good, and a lot of other people probably think that too. So I thought the reason why they didn't listen to protester's demands before was that it would do more harm than good. Or at least come to some sort of compromise rather than defund departments in every city in the country almost.
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What do you think defund the police means?
Have you perhaps heard of sentences like education has been defunded before?
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In the DarkHorse podcast above Bret offered an interesting possibility as to what could be happening with respect to the police department in this district where all of the staff took all of their possessions home with them. He was offering the idea that this was something of a deliberate tactic to let this group of people have this particular space so they could run their experiment, the predictable results (ie. lawlessness) would ensue, with the wager that it would look bad enough that it might help stem the tide on the push for no policing.
Any actual push for, literally, no police force and no courts is batisht crazy because it means there's only violence and intimidation to settle disputes. Something Bret suggested was the Ezra Kleinification of words, such as 'they say this but they really mean...' with respect to defunding the police and the New York Times piece suggesting that no - they mean it literally, I think a good way to put it as to why I'd say it would have to be a restructuring, no one with an opinion that anyone would take or listen to seriously would actually mean 'no police' and to the degree one did suggest that they were placating such thinking - assuming such thinking had unwarranted social power for a time being - is they'd simply need to find some way of getting the same thing done while, in word only, 'getting rid of the police'. Anyone whose made any kind of contact with social disorder at a professional level (with adult responsibility in dealing with the fallout) would know that pulling out any policing, and courts, is suicide. It's voluntarily sending your community into one of Dante's infernos similar to a perpetually burning Caracas Venezuela.
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Any actual push for, literally, no police force and no courts is batisht crazy because it means there's only violence and intimidation to settle disputes. Something Bret suggested was the Ezra Kleinification of words, such as 'they say this but they really mean...' with respect to defunding the police and the New York Times piece suggesting that no - they mean it literally, I think a good way to put it as to why I'd say it would have to be a restructuring, no one with an opinion that anyone would take or listen to seriously would actually mean 'no police' and to the degree one did suggest that they were placating such thinking - assuming such thinking had unwarranted social power for a time being - is they'd simply need to find some way of getting the same thing done while, in word only, 'getting rid of the police'. Anyone whose made any kind of contact with social disorder at a professional level (with adult responsibility in dealing with the fallout) would know that pulling out any policing, and courts, is suicide. It's voluntarily sending your community into one of Dante's infernos similar to a perpetually burning Caracas Venezuela.
Yup.
"Mad Max-vill".
What do you think defund the police means?
Have you perhaps heard of sentences like education has been defunded before?
Oh okay, well why do they want the stations defunded? Are they loosing money on their taxes by funding the police?
Exactly. I think even a grade school child could surmise the outcome. Human nature is human nature no matter what. Utopia isn't reality, it's fantasy.
They have their own police force. Called watchers. Just saw a video of them chocking a guy who says they chocking me.
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