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14 Jun 2020, 12:54 am
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
OK,
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
Is deleting content that promotes a racist worldview 'anti-right bias' or just 'anti-racist'? Not all right wingers are racist, so maybe white nationalism isn't an inherently right-wing position so much as just a position many on the right take - if that's the case deleting pro-WN content is merely anti-racist. Goldbug right wingers who want to post their economic fantasies don't have their content deleted, just the racists.
Well, the problem is still there, for me.
I still want to understand White Supremacist views.
If I were a journalist,
One with ethics and integrity,
(Yes, I know, scarce as hen's teeth,)
Where would I find the information for my analysis?
The problem still exists.
And that problem is one of censorship.
BTW,
Even conservative, errr, conservatives have been targeted through the defunding of their channel.
These platforms *are* left-wing biased.
For the record, do you emphatically deny that?
You're still confusing their unwillingness to tolerate their platforms being used to spread bigotry with an anti-right wing bias. Why do right-wingers agree to terms of service and then feel they shouldn't be bound by the terms they chose to agree to?
The problem still exists.
Where can I find what I am looking for?
Surely you don't expect me to use a non-primary source?
That is a last resort.
I'm not really sure where one would locate that information anymore. Probably on the darkweb next to the CP and Islamic terrorist recruiting boards.
I'm sure you were just as interested in researching what the Islamists believe when ISIS was the threat du jour.
14 Jun 2020, 12:57 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
OK,
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
Is deleting content that promotes a racist worldview 'anti-right bias' or just 'anti-racist'? Not all right wingers are racist, so maybe white nationalism isn't an inherently right-wing position so much as just a position many on the right take - if that's the case deleting pro-WN content is merely anti-racist. Goldbug right wingers who want to post their economic fantasies don't have their content deleted, just the racists.
Well, the problem is still there, for me.
I still want to understand White Supremacist views.
If I were a journalist,
One with ethics and integrity,
(Yes, I know, scarce as hen's teeth,)
Where would I find the information for my analysis?
The problem still exists.
And that problem is one of censorship.
BTW,
Even conservative, errr, conservatives have been targeted through the defunding of their channel.
These platforms *are* left-wing biased.
For the record, do you emphatically deny that?
You're still confusing their unwillingness to tolerate their platforms being used to spread bigotry with an anti-right wing bias. Why do right-wingers agree to terms of service and then feel they shouldn't be bound by the terms they chose to agree to?
The problem still exists.
Where can I find what I am looking for?
Surely you don't expect me to use a non-primary source?
That is a last resort.
I'm not really sure where one would locate that information anymore. Probably on the darkweb next to the CP and Islamic terrorist recruiting boards.
I'm sure you were just as interested in researching what the Islamists believe when ISIS was the threat du jour.
Nope.
I have selective interests.
I am autistic.
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14 Jun 2020, 1:32 am
14 Jun 2020, 3:44 am
Pepe wrote:
OK,
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
And no, I am not interested in becoming a fascist.
I simply want to analyse, for my self, the thinking behind the movement.
Can anyone help?
Is what I am asking against WP policy?
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
And no, I am not interested in becoming a fascist.
I simply want to analyse, for my self, the thinking behind the movement.
Can anyone help?
Is what I am asking against WP policy?
Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern and Sargon of Akkad aka Carl Benjamin all spring to mind. Could be out of date, but as far as I’m aware they are all still posting content to their respective YouTube channels.
If you go to the Wikipedia on Molyneux the links to related pages at the bottom should help you find more people who share their views to a greater or lesser extent: although some of the less well-known figures have been banned by YT.
The leftist YT channel “Shaun” (logo: cartoon skull wearing sunglasses) is quite good at providing links to the right wing content he criticises.
There used to be a blog site called “Gates of Vienna”: but I don’t know if it’s still operating.
Tangentially: a recent addition to the left wing YouTube presence is Cass Eris Who is currently doing a series of 30-45min videos critiquing Peterson’s Twelve Rules for Life: no, I don’t regard him as far-right (uniquely eccentric Christian Right would be nearer the mark I think) just thought you might find that interesting at some point.
14 Jun 2020, 3:54 am
Bradleigh wrote:
Pepe wrote:
And yet left-leaning commentary, explaining Far-right-philosophies, are allowed.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Because generally the Left are not arguing for hate against people for what they were born as, they explain what is actually being said. When a far-right person explains those things it is masked in how a white only nation is a good thing, skipping over the fact that they are calling for a mass exodus or genocide, and someone has to go out there shoot up that pizza place that is a paedophile ring for Hillary Clinton.
It is not even that those on the Right cannot explain what far-right philosophies are, just that in doing so they generally end up supporting those philosophies, providing a megaphone or pipeline to hurt people, rather than actually explain them. There are plenty of right wing people that commentators are still allowed to say their awful stuff, just that some still go even further.
It is why you still get right wing people excused for saying truthful awful things with language that covers up their fascist or racist opinions, and then cry when someone calls them a racist, like that is the same censoring them. That everyone knows that racism is a bad thing, but what they said was not racism it was race realism.
Pepe wrote:
BTW,
Is it a crime to use the "Dark Web" for research purposes?
Is it a crime to use the "Dark Web" for research purposes?
I think trying to use the Dark Web for anything is opening you up for getting in trouble for any number of illegal things on it.
All that is well and good,
But I hardly think that I am going to be seduced by a philosophy which considers me, and other autistics, as inferior.
Remember, The Nazi hierarchy would have sterilised us as inferior genetic specimens.
But that is the point.
We know what WWII Nazis philosophies were all about,
But I hardly think the White Supremacists of today would have simply copied and pasted those ideas,
Hence, my interest in getting to the source.
If you have had access to primary sources, in the past, could you tell me how you obtained them?
If you are simply repeating what others have said, I'll have to do the best I can, with secondary information myself, but with my own forensic investigative, errr, investigation.
14 Jun 2020, 4:03 am
Karamazov wrote:
Pepe wrote:
OK,
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
And no, I am not interested in becoming a fascist.
I simply want to analyse, for my self, the thinking behind the movement.
Can anyone help?
Is what I am asking against WP policy?
I started to look for youtube clips of White Supremacists explaining their point of view.
After scrolling down, it became obvious that I was not going to have an easy time of it.
My understanding is that platforms such as youtube, Facebook, Twitter have a left-wing bias in that they filter out far-right-wing material.
Is this correct?
Or is it possible to find information that is unfiltered and not through the eyes of left-wing commentators?
And no, I am not interested in becoming a fascist.
I simply want to analyse, for my self, the thinking behind the movement.
Can anyone help?
Is what I am asking against WP policy?
Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern and Sargon of Akkad aka Carl Benjamin all spring to mind. Could be out of date, but as far as I’m aware they are all still posting content to their respective YouTube channels.
If you go to the Wikipedia on Molyneux the links to related pages at the bottom should help you find more people who share their views to a greater or lesser extent: although some of the less well-known figures have been banned by YT.
The leftist YT channel “Shaun” (logo: cartoon skull wearing sunglasses) is quite good at providing links to the right wing content he criticises.
There used to be a blog site called “Gates of Vienna”: but I don’t know if it’s still operating.
Tangentially: a recent addition to the left wing YouTube presence is Cass Eris Who is currently doing a series of 30-45min videos critiquing Peterson’s Twelve Rules for Life: no, I don’t regard him as far-right (uniquely eccentric Christian Right would be nearer the mark I think) just thought you might find that interesting at some point.
I like what Jordan Peterson has to offer.
I have a problem with his Christian belief's, however.
It sort of skews/scuttles the foundation of his philosophies, imo.
Thank you for the leads.
I will be following them after this post.
Here you go.
Have another gold star:
You have deserved it.
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14 Jun 2020, 4:31 am
Pepe wrote:
But that is the point.
We know what WWII Nazis philosophies were all about,
But I hardly think the White Supremacists of today would have simply copied and pasted those ideas,
Hence, my interest in getting to the source.
If you have had access to primary sources, in the past, could you tell me how you obtained them?
If you are simply repeating what others have said, I'll have to do the best I can, with secondary information myself, but with my own forensic investigative, errr, investigation.
We know what WWII Nazis philosophies were all about,
But I hardly think the White Supremacists of today would have simply copied and pasted those ideas,
Hence, my interest in getting to the source.
If you have had access to primary sources, in the past, could you tell me how you obtained them?
If you are simply repeating what others have said, I'll have to do the best I can, with secondary information myself, but with my own forensic investigative, errr, investigation.
You seriously want to direct neo Nazi and white supremacist sources?
Stormfront, it is a neo Nazi white supremacist website, and anyone who seriously considers adopting things from it as politics are white supremacists, and anyone who refers to themselves as a race realist or use scientific racism like Stefan Molyneux. Those people are smart enough to not call themselves a white supremacist while they talk about things like skull shapes.
You would be surprised by what people may believe things against their own interest, like David Rubin people who hate gays, Blaire White transgender people who don't pass well calling them fakes, and so on people that are used to attack their own group.
14 Jun 2020, 4:55 am
There's a member here who used to post alt-right videos - maybe he could provide you with some links 
For something less in your face, I found American Dharma an interesting watch, it gave me a bit of insight into some aspects I wasn't aware of and since Steve Bannon is educated, articulate and not the foaming at the mouth type, some parts of it were rather unsettling.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8804284/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
14 Jun 2020, 5:23 am
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14 Jun 2020, 6:33 am
shlaifu wrote:
If the far right were to change their ideas, they'd hardly be conservatives, now, would they.
They changed their tactics - stopped shaving their heads and getting tattoos of the number 88 (standing for the 8th letter of the alphabet, H, referring to "Heil Hitler"). But they still want to ethnically cleanse their countries, get rid of black and jewish people and prevent "mixing of the races".
They are still using the concept of race, which is scientifically untenable.
In short: by definition, they cannot change.
So you know this because you have read their manifesto?
Listening to the critique of others isn't the same as forensically going over the "manuscript" oneself.
Surely this isn't a hard concept to understand.
shlaifu wrote:
If you want the sources: go look up the stuff the left youtubers are criticizing.
You mean the people who have an active interest in pulling apart and discrediting what their adversary is saying?
"I don't think so, Tim".
Shlaifu, I would have thought you could have done better than that.
shlaifu wrote:
And: you can only legally get "mein kampf" in Germany in a version with critical commentary, debunking the nonsense in it.
Does that mean the German state has a left bias, because the published version doesn't have pro-antisemitic commentary as well?
No. The book itself is the pro-antisemitic commentary.
Does that mean the German state has a left bias, because the published version doesn't have pro-antisemitic commentary as well?
No. The book itself is the pro-antisemitic commentary.
Germany has very specific sensitivities, in regard to this subject matter.
Surely you can see that.
I have "Mein Kampf".
Had it for decades.
Never read it.
I prefer not to live in a nanny state.
I can think for myself.
I don't need anyone to spoon feed me.
And I don't need anyone brainwashing me either.
I am quite capable of critically thinking while having an objective mindset.
I don't live in Germany, btw.
shlaifu wrote:
So if a leftie is criticizing Ben Shapiro or PragerU, that doesn't mean youtube is left-biased. The PragerU video is already the rightwing comment.
Well, good luck finding the subject matter I was talking about on youtube.
It is hiding in there, whilst there is a plethora of politically correct leftist material on offer.
You honestly think the platforms, I have mentioned, don't have a left-wing bias?
Huh.
Well, we will have to agree to disagree, on that one.
14 Jun 2020, 6:37 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
The ideas of white supremacists are just as erroneous as the ideas of the Black Muslims.
Same nonsense using different characters.
Same nonsense using different characters.
I am not defending their philosophy.
I want to analyse it.
14 Jun 2020, 6:49 am
14 Jun 2020, 7:02 am
Karamazov wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern and Sargon of Akkad aka Carl Benjamin all spring to mind. Could be out of date, but as far as I’m aware they are all still posting content to their respective YouTube channels.
Really stretching the definition of White Supremacist now, aren't we?
Well: Molyneux has touched on some elements of WS thought in some of his videos, Lauren Southern has done at least one video on the “great replacement” conspiracy theory which seems to be related: both of them are described as being of that movement on the relevant wiki pages, although as far as I know neither have openly declared themselves as such.
Sargon of Akkad is more anti-feminist/anti-Islam in his focus, but there is overlap in the diffusion of those ideas with WS proper, although I’m not aware of him having advocated WS directly or indirectly himself.
I don't get why Jewish power groups would be interested in this. <shrug>
Thanks for "Spoon Feeding" me some leads, btw.
14 Jun 2020, 7:15 am
Pepe wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern and Sargon of Akkad aka Carl Benjamin all spring to mind. Could be out of date, but as far as I’m aware they are all still posting content to their respective YouTube channels.
Really stretching the definition of White Supremacist now, aren't we?
Well: Molyneux has touched on some elements of WS thought in some of his videos, Lauren Southern has done at least one video on the “great replacement” conspiracy theory which seems to be related: both of them are described as being of that movement on the relevant wiki pages, although as far as I know neither have openly declared themselves as such.
Sargon of Akkad is more anti-feminist/anti-Islam in his focus, but there is overlap in the diffusion of those ideas with WS proper, although I’m not aware of him having advocated WS directly or indirectly himself.
I don't get why Jewish power groups would be interested in this. <shrug>
Thanks for "Spoon Feeding" me some leads, btw.
No worries
I suspect the real meat of what you’re after will most likely be following the thread from those starting points than from them folks directly...
Same principle at work as one sees in it being rare to find a leftist YouTuber openly advocating for a communist/anarchist/whatever revolution in a specific country: they’d get banned.
Ah, just remembered Black Pigeon Speaks (YT): more cultural than racial in his thinking from what I remember, but probably another good place to start trying to get to the info you want.
