Why is Canada following in the defunding police movement?

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There's differences between the black Canadian and black American communities that are wider than the differences between white Canadians and Americans.

While some black Canadians are of black American descent, many others are of other origins like the Caribbean or African. They're not the same group demographically.

The African American community contains a cohort who have endured white America's racism for 400 years. While Canada has historically had black settlements the demographics didn't cause Canada to have the same black/white racism dynamic that the US had, instead here it was Anglo/French, Anglo/Native, etc. The British Empire tended to encourage 'relocation' to Sierra Leone so Canada could around like our s**t don't stink.

Canada's black community has far more recent immigrants than America's. People don't want to start complaining about racism in a country that prides itself on being not-racist immediately after getting off of the boat. But as the trends demonstrate themselves over and over again Canada's reputation isn't 100% deserved and so eventually people got wise to 'Canada got problems too'.

But there were no murder of black people by police officers in Canada at all recently, that I could find, so it seems strange that people in Canada are protesting around police stations that 'black lives matter', when the police haven't seemed to have done any brutalizing or murdering of them here. At least not that I could find. So it seems like they are protesting over something that didn't happen.

Cops are less likely to use deadly force in Canada. Does this mean Canada doesn't also have issues with institutional racism in policing?

https://thatsatruestory.wordpress.com/2 ... an-police/

https://globalnews.ca/news/7048298/poli ... ck-racism/

https://www.blogto.com/city/2020/05/tor ... h-balcony/

https://canadianwomen.org/blog/time-now ... koQAvD_BwE

Here are some examples I just googled. I'm sure I could find more.

In the example of MMIWG, police are criticised for systemic racism and marginalisation of crime against Indigenous women and girls. Most of these crimes were never even investigated by police.

I'm surprised you can't find information about police racism / brutality in Canada, ironpony.

There are hundreds of links I could post.

So when’s the prime minister going come out and say he’s abolishing all police forces since he has complete control over Canada.

Oh okay, well 3 of those examples happened in Toronto. Why are people standing outside of the police departments in Canadian cities, that are not Toronto? Why they blaming those police departments since they are not Toronto's?

I'm not sure what you mean. The only example that just pertained to Toronto was the third link. That story was about person. All of the other links are nationwide. Regardless an issue was brought to the forefront and given considerable attention by the American story of George Floyd. Many people around the world responded by examining the policy / history of their own country, and reacting in the ways they thought would secure change. Unfortunately, I don't think this issue was in public consciousness until people were made aware. Now that they are aware, they are free to demonstrate in the ways they choose to protest. I imagine that Canadians who want change are demonstrating nationwide because if police reform is going to happen in Canada, it needs to begin with Trudeau. Systemic change at the local level is not enough.

Oh it's just that three examples where mentioned in Toronto in the links, or so I thought I read.

Well, I guess the idea of defunding the police seems scary to me in the sense, that what if it hinders the justice system in a lot of ways. Back in the old days of the wild West, people got away with crimes all the time, because there was not enough police around to do things about it. And now people want the police to be taken away more, and crime will theoretically rise as a result. So it seems to me that punishing the police for crimes they commit is better than removing a lot of them entirely. Or at least that's how it seems to me.

Personally, I don't think police should be defunded and if they are, certainly not long-term. Their roles and responsibilities need to change drastically, but I believe most communities have the right to proper policing via taxation. I would be terrified to live somewhere without police despite the fact I've been treated horribly by police in the past, to the extent that I developed Complex PTSD. In fact, most of my family has had terrible interaction with police because we are autistic and misunderstood, despite being white law-abiding citizens.

I maintain that radical change needs to happen, and it must start from the top down. Fire people. Restructure training. Restructure ramifications for those who abuse power. Give cops the maximum penalty for unnecessary violence, unlawful use of force, coercion, or intimidation of any person. Educate about racial, gender and neuro diversity. Demand they be accountable. I don't know enough about systemic reform or finance to suggest how this all should / could happen, but I hope it's not necessary to have any citizen of any country live without police protection, or to disband policing completely.

I'm sorry to hear that, about your experiences. My condolences.

Well there are always of course going to psychos in every job. Not just the police but psycho fireman, psycho lawyers, etc. I don't feel that it's a police issue, so much as a psychopath issue, and weeding out psychos is the key, as oppose to cutting of funding I think.

Plus cutting funding will lead to other problems, and that the protesters are not experts in this field, so I don't think their proposed solution will be one that works.

Another thing is a lot of these protestors who want to defund the police are left wing it seems. First the left wing is all about gun control, and how they want to take people's guns away and say that the police can protect you, and not guns. That's what the police are for.

And now they have flipped have on a dime, and want the exact opposite, defund the police, and just rely on guns for home defense. This is what I find to be possibly hypocritical, at least in appearance, is how they just flip on a dime on their beliefs like that. I don't understand it.