Could George Floyd's murder have been a conspiracy?

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21 Jun 2020, 5:15 pm

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George Floyd and Derek Chauvin worked together and didn't like each other. It looks like a good portion of this was an a***hole getting even and showing power over someone who didn't like him and it sounds like with the basis of the dislike it was George Floyd who was in the right - ie. that Chauvin was rough with the customers and George had complained about it.

It really sounds like Chauvin had some type of cluster B personality disorder and that's the last thing you want to have in a police officer.

If this looks like a conspiracy theory it's because the end result was near perfect archetypal horror and stupidity, and as Joe Rogan mentioned in his chat with Bret Weinstein - anyone who knew anything about martial arts, MMA, physical restraint, etc. knew that anyone whose neck was knelt on for close to 9 minutes would be a goner, especially with the other side of his neck on a curb or uneven plane of some type with the other side of it biting into his neck and closing off blood supply to his brain.

Was it timed almost perfectly to light the fuse on the bomb that a six week quarantine had created? Absolutely.

I'm also going to make an argument here from what I consider to be a metaphysical view that many people here (particularly of the reductive materialist camp) may not share but I think it's worth sharing anyway because it helps tune down the notion that there's a human organizational conspiracy behind these sorts of things - I don't believe that to be the case. You see weird things like Shadilay (1981) and Pepe the Frog, you see Grime's Violence videos where they're all wearing something that looks similar to fashionable N95 masks in the video (and it's very strong archetypal piece of music that touches on the nexus of a lot of things). There's some degree of future probabilities, IMHO, pulling on current events for maximum effect of certain types. I think of this along the lines of Jacques Vallee's Magonia concept, that Donald Hoffman's right about us living in a social network of conscious agents - most of which are not in our line of sight based on how evolution has shaped our senses, and thus these sorts of things are due to parts of the information ecology in the world that we can't see.


Well I've taken martial arts for a few years now, and I was never taught that a person would be a goner after 9 seconds of doing that. So I think that Joe Rogan interview must be incorrect, since no one in martial arts told me that.



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21 Jun 2020, 5:17 pm

ironpony wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
George Floyd and Derek Chauvin worked together and didn't like each other. It looks like a good portion of this was an a***hole getting even and showing power over someone who didn't like him and it sounds like with the basis of the dislike it was George Floyd who was in the right - ie. that Chauvin was rough with the customers and George had complained about it.

It really sounds like Chauvin had some type of cluster B personality disorder and that's the last thing you want to have in a police officer.

If this looks like a conspiracy theory it's because the end result was near perfect archetypal horror and stupidity, and as Joe Rogan mentioned in his chat with Bret Weinstein - anyone who knew anything about martial arts, MMA, physical restraint, etc. knew that anyone whose neck was knelt on for close to 9 minutes would be a goner, especially with the other side of his neck on a curb or uneven plane of some type with the other side of it biting into his neck and closing off blood supply to his brain.

Was it timed almost perfectly to light the fuse on the bomb that a six week quarantine had created? Absolutely.

I'm also going to make an argument here from what I consider to be a metaphysical view that many people here (particularly of the reductive materialist camp) may not share but I think it's worth sharing anyway because it helps tune down the notion that there's a human organizational conspiracy behind these sorts of things - I don't believe that to be the case. You see weird things like Shadilay (1981) and Pepe the Frog, you see Grime's Violence videos where they're all wearing something that looks similar to fashionable N95 masks in the video (and it's very strong archetypal piece of music that touches on the nexus of a lot of things). There's some degree of future probabilities, IMHO, pulling on current events for maximum effect of certain types. I think of this along the lines of Jacques Vallee's Magonia concept, that Donald Hoffman's right about us living in a social network of conscious agents - most of which are not in our line of sight based on how evolution has shaped our senses, and thus these sorts of things are due to parts of the information ecology in the world that we can't see.


Well I've taken martial arts for a few years now, and I was never taught that a person would be a goner after 9 seconds of doing that. So I think that Joe Rogan interview must be incorrect, since no one in martial arts told me that.


Minutes, not seconds. Nine f*****g minutes.


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21 Jun 2020, 5:25 pm

A Conspiracy Theorist attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations.  Many conspiracy theories state that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.  The Conspiracy is generally evil beyond evil.  And yet despite how evil they are, they never betray each other, so the conspiracy stays together for thousands of years.  How they accomplish this is unexplained. It is something beyond the wisdom of our puny minds.

Conspiracy theorists in the media may be associated with Right Wing Militia Fanatics, and always seem to come off as somewhat mentally unhinged.  This seems to be the case even when one of them catches the trail of a genuine government conspiracy.  Of course, said conspiracies have a tendency to try to silence the "kook" once they learn he's on to them, despite the fact that no one would actually believe he's telling the truth.  This has the effect of:

• If the attempt fails, it gives the theorist the resolve he needs to unravel the conspiracy (which he never quite seems to accomplish).

• If it succeeds, whoever investigates the murder is bound to stumble upon the conspiracy, particularly if higher-ups try to hush it up.

There is a medical condition frequently attributed to conspiracy theorists: apophenia, the tendency to see connections where none exist.

Finally, any allegedly "missing" evidence that would falsify the conspiracy theory is taken as de facto proof that a cover-up is involved.

So bring out those Lizard-people, those members of the Tri-Lateral Commission, those Gnomes of Zurich, and every space-alien/human hybrid (don't forget Bigfoot!), and pitch us a really compelling conspiracy theory that we can all believe and maybe even make into a Hollywood blockbuster movie!

(I want my character to be played by George Clooney.)



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21 Jun 2020, 5:40 pm

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ironpony wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
George Floyd and Derek Chauvin worked together and didn't like each other. It looks like a good portion of this was an a***hole getting even and showing power over someone who didn't like him and it sounds like with the basis of the dislike it was George Floyd who was in the right - ie. that Chauvin was rough with the customers and George had complained about it.

It really sounds like Chauvin had some type of cluster B personality disorder and that's the last thing you want to have in a police officer.

If this looks like a conspiracy theory it's because the end result was near perfect archetypal horror and stupidity, and as Joe Rogan mentioned in his chat with Bret Weinstein - anyone who knew anything about martial arts, MMA, physical restraint, etc. knew that anyone whose neck was knelt on for close to 9 minutes would be a goner, especially with the other side of his neck on a curb or uneven plane of some type with the other side of it biting into his neck and closing off blood supply to his brain.

Was it timed almost perfectly to light the fuse on the bomb that a six week quarantine had created? Absolutely.

I'm also going to make an argument here from what I consider to be a metaphysical view that many people here (particularly of the reductive materialist camp) may not share but I think it's worth sharing anyway because it helps tune down the notion that there's a human organizational conspiracy behind these sorts of things - I don't believe that to be the case. You see weird things like Shadilay (1981) and Pepe the Frog, you see Grime's Violence videos where they're all wearing something that looks similar to fashionable N95 masks in the video (and it's very strong archetypal piece of music that touches on the nexus of a lot of things). There's some degree of future probabilities, IMHO, pulling on current events for maximum effect of certain types. I think of this along the lines of Jacques Vallee's Magonia concept, that Donald Hoffman's right about us living in a social network of conscious agents - most of which are not in our line of sight based on how evolution has shaped our senses, and thus these sorts of things are due to parts of the information ecology in the world that we can't see.


Well I've taken martial arts for a few years now, and I was never taught that a person would be a goner after 9 seconds of doing that. So I think that Joe Rogan interview must be incorrect, since no one in martial arts told me that.


Minutes, not seconds. Nine f*****g minutes.


Oh sorry, for some reason I thought it was nine seconds for some reason. Yes, minutes definitely, without a doubt.

And yes, perhaps I was just too naive to think that not a lot of people were willing to run so much passion on putting a new government in place.



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21 Jun 2020, 5:57 pm

This is a Presidential election year with an extremely unpopular incumbent President and both houses of Congress up for grabs.

Frankly it would be strange if there weren’t a lot of people trying to change the government.



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21 Jun 2020, 6:00 pm

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This is a Presidential election year with an extremely unpopular incumbent President and both houses of Congress up for grabs.

Frankly it would be strange if there weren’t a lot of people trying to change the government.


Bret Weinstein actually had an interesting suggestion - drafting General McRaven to run with Andrew Yang as an upstart team and injecting themselves between Biden and Trump. Interesting idea, especially considering just how weak both Binden and Trump are in this.


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21 Jun 2020, 6:16 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
This is a Presidential election year with an extremely unpopular incumbent President and both houses of Congress up for grabs.

Frankly it would be strange if there weren’t a lot of people trying to change the government.


But is Trump so hated that people are willing to go out and riot a loot, and make threats and demands against the government, instead of just try to vote him out? I mean I they don't like him, but they must really really hate him to risk their lives like this, if throwing him out is the main motivation?



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21 Jun 2020, 6:18 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
This is a Presidential election year with an extremely unpopular incumbent President and both houses of Congress up for grabs.

Frankly it would be strange if there weren’t a lot of people trying to change the government.


Bret Weinstein actually had an interesting suggestion - drafting General McRaven to run with Andrew Yang as an upstart team and injecting themselves between Biden and Trump. Interesting idea, especially considering just how weak both Binden and Trump are in this.


I’m not sure what you mean by “how weak both Biden and Trump are in this”. Biden is very popular with black voters and is polling extremely well.

Yang has endorsed Biden and McRaven has made it very clear he wants Trump gone so I suggest he wouldn’t be prepared to run as a spoiler. The slice of people who dislike Trump but dislike Biden more is very small, a candidate fishing in those waters is unlikely to do well.



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I’m not sure what you mean by “how weak both Biden and Trump are in this”. Biden is very popular with black voters and is polling extremely well.

Yang has endorsed Biden and McRaven has made it very clear he wants Trump gone so I suggest he wouldn’t be prepared to run as a spoiler. The slice of people who dislike Trump but dislike Biden more is very small, a candidate fishing in those waters is unlikely to do well.

My take on Biden so far - he's pretty much the worst of what I was afraid the Democratic party would get - ie. a glowing silver-haired boomer with wonderful 20th century solutions to 21st century problems where it's less about his competence and more about people saying "Hey!........ I know that name!...........".


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21 Jun 2020, 6:52 pm

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Oh okay, it just seems like so many people rushing to get behind wanting to reform the whole country movement, seemed like too much of a coincidental motivation. I guess I just didn't think there were that many extremists out there with such high demands.


I am not American, but I am surprised that someone would be surprised that all of this had been boiling up to this point. Did the news you watch not have the same facts mine did about years of police brutality against black people? I could only say the biggest surprise must have come that with everyone out of work and the year being against a president who has never had positive polls with minority groups had turned it into a bomb.

I believe that Trump had almost done away with saying the quiet bit out loud by saying he had no intention of allowing things like mail in ballots because if so many people got to vote no Republican would be elected. How have people meant to react to that in terms of being told to just wait to vote him out?


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21 Jun 2020, 7:55 pm

ironpony wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
This is a Presidential election year with an extremely unpopular incumbent President and both houses of Congress up for grabs.

Frankly it would be strange if there weren’t a lot of people trying to change the government.


But is Trump so hated that people are willing to go out and riot a loot, and make threats and demands against the government, instead of just try to vote him out? I mean I they don't like him, but they must really really hate him to risk their lives like this, if throwing him out is the main motivation?


You seem to miss the primary motivator for the protests, they're not about Trump although Trump is hostile to their cause. They're about the violence black citizens regularly have to fear from the police.


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21 Jun 2020, 8:02 pm

ironpony wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
This is a Presidential election year with an extremely unpopular incumbent President and both houses of Congress up for grabs.

Frankly it would be strange if there weren’t a lot of people trying to change the government.


But is Trump so hated that people are willing to go out and riot a loot, and make threats and demands against the government, instead of just try to vote him out? I mean I they don't like him, but they must really really hate him to risk their lives like this, if throwing him out is the main motivation?


Funeralxempire is of course right, but maybI add: where were the last 4 years? There have been anti-Trumo demonstrations for 4 years now, on top of black people demonstrating sgainst targetted police brutality, on top of lefties clashing with white supremacists... Since Trump got into office, it feels like there's some march, protest or violent confrontation between supporters and enemies or the police about once a month


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21 Jun 2020, 9:10 pm

Of coarse it's a conspiracy,three other cops didn't stop it.

Obviously if you don't try to stop a major felony,your in on it,which makes you a conspirator.


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21 Jun 2020, 10:21 pm

Oh okay, it's just that it seems that a majority of American citizens, want to actually overthrow the government and start a coup, or at least they are really getting close, and I didn't know that so many Americans were pro-coup, if that is the case. That's just the part that surprised me is how so many seem to want this, and it came as a surprise to me.

I thought it was pre-planned cause of how it came about like a lot of people were waiting in the wings. So that is why it just seemed so suspicious to me.



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21 Jun 2020, 10:51 pm

Absolutely not.

Are some groups taking advantage of the uproar and anger over it, probably but what happen is murder pure and simple.


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21 Jun 2020, 11:05 pm

Oh okay. Even if the murder was not connected to the extremists, rising up over it, were the extremists still waiting in the wings ready to rise up at an opportunity?