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05 Jul 2020, 12:39 am

Relevant topics that there's a veil of silence around.


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05 Jul 2020, 12:41 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
There was about a year or so where Travis Pangburn was setting up events to get many of these people together to talk about big issues, probably most popular was a series of four debates between Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. Pangburn Philosophy both helped lift this up in terms of providing venues and events where thousands of people would show up, the problem - he also had the business model where he'd partially fund current events with funds for future events or handle refunds through funds from future events and this model ended up crashing on him eventually with him getting a reputation for cancelling shows and not giving people refunds.


There was a reason that authoritarian governments outlaw free speech. My guess is that a dark-web that allows the unfettered growth of subversive political speech isn't going to not be scrutinised by "peeping toms" from those running the show topside.



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05 Jul 2020, 12:41 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Relevant topics that there's a veil of silence around.

What topics?



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05 Jul 2020, 1:27 am

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What topics?

A good example is what Eric talked to Peter Thiel about on the first episode of The Portal - the notion that western economies and particularly in this example the US had entered economic, innovative, and institutional decline by somewhere in the 1970's to early 1980's and that the institutions had effectively filled up with people whose skill-sets heavily leaned on lying about the status of the economy and the status of the institutions. He's also been extremely critical of the String Theory community as he believes that they got lost on what seemed like a good idea in the 1980's, that they've stalled out the progress of physics (which he considers to be understated in it's effects on technology and ultimately the economy) and he's brought up in a few places, particularly his first interview with Lex Friedman, the scam that colleges pulled to keep STEM PhD prospects artificially bleak for the sake of having plenty of graduate student teachers while the professors spent their time instead on papers for the sake of getting prestige and money back to the colleges, ie. burning the future for the present.


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05 Jul 2020, 1:50 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
What topics?

A good example is what Eric talked to Peter Thiel about on the first episode of The Portal - the notion that western economies and particularly in this example the US had entered economic, innovative, and institutional decline by somewhere in the 1970's to early 1980's and that the institutions had effectively filled up with people whose skill-sets heavily leaned on lying about the status of the economy and the status of the institutions. He's also been extremely critical of the String Theory community as he believes that they got lost on what seemed like a good idea in the 1980's, that they've stalled out the progress of physics (which he considers to be understated in it's effects on technology and ultimately the economy) and he's brought up in a few places, particularly his first interview with Lex Friedman, the scam that colleges pulled to keep STEM PhD prospects artificially bleak for the sake of having plenty of graduate student teachers while the professors spent their time instead on papers for the sake of getting prestige and money back to the colleges, ie. burning the future for the present.


I see what you mean. A safe space to air opinions that don't result in a loss of academic tenure.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e36924134/



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05 Jul 2020, 1:54 am

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I see what you mean. A safe space to air opinions that don't result in a loss of academic tenure.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e36924134/

Two things on that:

1) Completely orthogonal to Eric Weinstein.
2) Fair to criticize Jordan Peterson for making that move.


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05 Jul 2020, 2:07 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I see what you mean. A safe space to air opinions that don't result in a loss of academic tenure.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e36924134/

Two things on that:

1) Completely orthogonal to Eric Weinstein.
2) Fair to criticize Jordan Peterson for making that move.


re: your point 1- Weisntein was part of an informal group of pundits and other allied commentators who oppose what they believe to be the dominance of identity politics, political correctness, partisan politics and the establishment in higher education and the news media.

Criticism of the IDW has come primarily from the left and support from the right. Not surprisingly the bulk of users use IDW as a virtual alt-right platform where they choose to post to avoid publicly voicing their views where it will be scrutinised by potential or current employers.



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05 Jul 2020, 2:10 am

Wonderful to see a moderator make such a low-quality thread: no actual definition of the dark web, no description of what's on the dark web, no links. Nothing but insults, unexplained accusations, unintroduced names...we are supposed to know who Rubin and Weinstein are?

Very informative thread.

Oh, nevermind. I just noticed that you are only twenty-five years old.

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It’s a very misleading name, isn’t it?

The title of your thread is a very misleading name since you don't attempt to answer your own question.



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05 Jul 2020, 2:13 am

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re: your point 1- Weisntein was part of an informal group of pundits and other allied commentators who oppose what they believe to be the dominance of identity politics, political correctness, partisan politics and the establishment in higher education and the news media.

How long ago did you learn who they were or what they talk about? Is this saying you just went out and packed in an hour or two of listening to Eric Weinstein's The Portal or Sam Harris's Making Sense?

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Criticism of the IDW has come primarily from the left and support from the right. Not surprisingly the bulk of users use IDW as a virtual alt-right platform where they choose to post to avoid publicly voicing their views where it will be scrutinised by potential or current employers.

They could actually go examine these things for themselves, just that if it's *really* useful to make them boogeymen why would anyone in their right mind give up that benefit.


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05 Jul 2020, 2:20 am

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How long ago did you learn who they were or what they talk about? Is this saying you just went out and packed in an hour or two of listening to Eric Weinstein's The Portal or Sam Harris's Making Sense? .

I conferred with my academic supervisor Professor Google

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They could actually go examine these things for themselves, just that if it's *really* useful to make them boogeymen why would anyone in their right mind give up that benefit.


Could you elaborate?



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05 Jul 2020, 2:23 am

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I conferred with my academic supervisor Professor Google

That's a no - you didn't listen to any episodes of The Portal or Sam Harris's Making Sense. You might have spent a few minutes reading something someone said, using Google's personalized algorithms to find an article that matched what Google believes to be your political persuasion.

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Could you elaborate?

Evidence to the contrary of a belief doesn't help one retain deep convictions or in-group membership.


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05 Jul 2020, 2:28 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
You might have spent a few minutes reading something someone said, using Google's personalized algorithms to find an article that matched what Google believes to be your political persuasion..

Ahhh I see what you mean! yes then it makes sense (if the algorithm tracks me) that's the first thing in my search feed,
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Do you mean retain membership or prevent being a member?



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05 Jul 2020, 2:29 am

Retain - not being retained meaning getting railroaded out of a social group for not checking all of the political boxes.


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05 Jul 2020, 2:31 am

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Retain - not being retained meaning getting railroaded out of a social group for not checking all of the political boxes.


Oh like turning up to an alt-right rally with your black g/f



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05 Jul 2020, 2:32 am

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Oh like turning up to an alt-right rally with your black g/f

I wouldn't recommend the alt-right but - to each their own. My guess is if someone did that and they were dating Candace Owens they'd probably be okay.


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05 Jul 2020, 2:36 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Oh like turning up to an alt-right rally with your black g/f

I wouldn't recommend the alt-right but - to each their own. My guess is if someone did that and they were dating Candace Owens they'd probably be okay.


:lol:

On a serious note reinforcement of in-group membership requires a checklist of beliefs/actions