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22 Jul 2020, 3:23 pm

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The past is the past and past wrongs are past wrongs.

It's still wrong to collude with Russia and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it,but so did Biden being that Biden has never condemned his son for his behavior in Russia.It makes Biden guilty by omission because if he supports what his son did in Russia than it's no different.

I don't think whatever Trump did however wrong, is reason to vote for the equally guilty Biden :?


Equally guilty of colluding with Putin?
If Biden didn't stand up against what his son did in the Ukraine,then it makes him as corrupt and even though Biden never dealt with Russia or Putin,it shows he is a corrupt as Trump.I'm sure if Biden had the opportunity to deal with Russia and Putin he would have done the same thing.

Biden's evil deeds were in Ukraine a current enemy of Russia but if the shoe was on the other foot I think Biden would have colluded with Putin given the opportunity.


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22 Jul 2020, 5:11 pm

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He is the president the others not. The others can't literally force him to lift or impose sanctions. If the others convinced him to do something he was really against that makes him a weak person.


Well, he might be a weak person in that particular respect. Yes, he is overly-confident when it comes to talking, but when it comes to actually "doing" things then he is easily stopped by others. The other two examples that come to mind is how others forced him to reverse the ban against muslim immigration and also how others stopped him from building the wall.

But at the same time he deserves a credit for successfully moving US Embassy to Jerusalem, despite all the pressure from people trying to stop him. So I guess he is both weak and strong, depending on his luck.



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22 Jul 2020, 5:15 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The past is the past and past wrongs are past wrongs.

It's still wrong to collude with Russia and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it,but so did Biden being that Biden has never condemned his son for his behavior in Russia.It makes Biden guilty by omission because if he supports what his son did in Russia than it's no different.

I don't think whatever Trump did however wrong, is reason to vote for the equally guilty Biden :?


Equally guilty of colluding with Putin?
If Biden didn't stand up against what his son did in the Ukraine,then it makes him as corrupt and even though Biden never dealt with Russia or Putin,it shows he is a corrupt as Trump.I'm sure if Biden had the opportunity to deal with Russia and Putin he would have done the same thing.

Biden's evil deeds were in Ukraine a current enemy of Russia but if the shoe was on the other foot I think Biden would have colluded with Putin given the opportunity.


The way I see it, is that there is no smoke without fire. So yes, Trump colludes with Russia and Biden colludes with Ukraine. The only issue is which side do you want to choose? Due to the cold war tradition of always choosing sides against Russia, most Americans choose Ukraine (I am sure Americans wouldn't care so much about Ukraine if it was Ukraine vs some other random country as opposed to Ukraine versus Russia). Thats why they are a lot more willing to forgive Biden than they are willing to forgive Trump. But in my case, as someone coming from Russia, I want to side with Russia, thats why I side with Trump.



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23 Jul 2020, 4:38 am

vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The past is the past and past wrongs are past wrongs.

It's still wrong to collude with Russia and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it,but so did Biden being that Biden has never condemned his son for his behavior in Russia.It makes Biden guilty by omission because if he supports what his son did in Russia than it's no different.

I don't think whatever Trump did however wrong, is reason to vote for the equally guilty Biden :?


Equally guilty of colluding with Putin?
If Biden didn't stand up against what his son did in the Ukraine,then it makes him as corrupt and even though Biden never dealt with Russia or Putin,it shows he is a corrupt as Trump.I'm sure if Biden had the opportunity to deal with Russia and Putin he would have done the same thing.

Biden's evil deeds were in Ukraine a current enemy of Russia but if the shoe was on the other foot I think Biden would have colluded with Putin given the opportunity.


What his son did?

What was this awful thing that his son did?



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23 Jul 2020, 5:26 am

naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The past is the past and past wrongs are past wrongs.

It's still wrong to collude with Russia and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it,but so did Biden being that Biden has never condemned his son for his behavior in Russia.It makes Biden guilty by omission because if he supports what his son did in Russia than it's no different.

I don't think whatever Trump did however wrong, is reason to vote for the equally guilty Biden :?


Equally guilty of colluding with Putin?
If Biden didn't stand up against what his son did in the Ukraine,then it makes him as corrupt and even though Biden never dealt with Russia or Putin,it shows he is a corrupt as Trump.I'm sure if Biden had the opportunity to deal with Russia and Putin he would have done the same thing.

Biden's evil deeds were in Ukraine a current enemy of Russia but if the shoe was on the other foot I think Biden would have colluded with Putin given the opportunity.


What his son did?

What was this awful thing that his son did?
But he didn't speak up against it,so what does that tell you?


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23 Jul 2020, 6:37 am

vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The past is the past and past wrongs are past wrongs.

It's still wrong to collude with Russia and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it,but so did Biden being that Biden has never condemned his son for his behavior in Russia.It makes Biden guilty by omission because if he supports what his son did in Russia than it's no different.

I don't think whatever Trump did however wrong, is reason to vote for the equally guilty Biden :?


Equally guilty of colluding with Putin?
If Biden didn't stand up against what his son did in the Ukraine,then it makes him as corrupt and even though Biden never dealt with Russia or Putin,it shows he is a corrupt as Trump.I'm sure if Biden had the opportunity to deal with Russia and Putin he would have done the same thing.

Biden's evil deeds were in Ukraine a current enemy of Russia but if the shoe was on the other foot I think Biden would have colluded with Putin given the opportunity.


What his son did?

What was this awful thing that his son did?
But he didn't speak up against it,so what does that tell you?


Ummm...apparently you didnt read the question right.

I asked "what did his SON do?".

You didnt answer that question.



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23 Jul 2020, 7:36 am

naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The past is the past and past wrongs are past wrongs.

It's still wrong to collude with Russia and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it,but so did Biden being that Biden has never condemned his son for his behavior in Russia.It makes Biden guilty by omission because if he supports what his son did in Russia than it's no different.

I don't think whatever Trump did however wrong, is reason to vote for the equally guilty Biden :?


Equally guilty of colluding with Putin?
If Biden didn't stand up against what his son did in the Ukraine,then it makes him as corrupt and even though Biden never dealt with Russia or Putin,it shows he is a corrupt as Trump.I'm sure if Biden had the opportunity to deal with Russia and Putin he would have done the same thing.

Biden's evil deeds were in Ukraine a current enemy of Russia but if the shoe was on the other foot I think Biden would have colluded with Putin given the opportunity.


What his son did?

What was this awful thing that his son did?
But he didn't speak up against it,so what does that tell you?


Ummm...apparently you didnt read the question right.

I asked "what did his SON do?".

You didnt answer that question.
He engaged in corruption while on the board of director's of Burisma Holdings a natural gas company in the Ukraine.He tried to silence prosecutor's looking into corruption at Burisma.


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